speed kills?????????
06-22-2008, 03:37 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Erie, Colorado
Posts: 1,530
RE: speed kills?????????
Raceway,
Do what if right for you...seriously. Don't worry too much what others say.
Two days ago I left the Eastern Cape of South Africa. I was there hunting exclusively with a bow. I was told by everyone I'd be lucky if I shot one animal with a bow. The terrian was steep, rocky, vast, open, and water was extremely abundant (sitting at waterhole was not an option). Despite the naysayers, I came home with eight new species of wildlife under my belt. The slow bows cased their equipment and pulled out rifles (they spent too much money to come home empty handed). I, therefore, know exactly what you're talking about. Hunt for you and find that equipment that works best for you! When you have all the confidence in the world, you'll thumb your nose at those who ridicule you. Best of luck to you my friend.
Do what if right for you...seriously. Don't worry too much what others say.
Two days ago I left the Eastern Cape of South Africa. I was there hunting exclusively with a bow. I was told by everyone I'd be lucky if I shot one animal with a bow. The terrian was steep, rocky, vast, open, and water was extremely abundant (sitting at waterhole was not an option). Despite the naysayers, I came home with eight new species of wildlife under my belt. The slow bows cased their equipment and pulled out rifles (they spent too much money to come home empty handed). I, therefore, know exactly what you're talking about. Hunt for you and find that equipment that works best for you! When you have all the confidence in the world, you'll thumb your nose at those who ridicule you. Best of luck to you my friend.
06-22-2008, 03:39 PM
#22
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Mont County, Pa
Posts: 7,368
RE: speed kills?????????
ORIGINAL: racewayking
Order "The Grind" from WKP. Todd puts the shot on the heart and the slow motion shows the buck drop a good 6-8 inches and take a high lung shot. I will be putting arount 89# of KE with my new rig with a 410-440gr. arrow but should be hitting 300-310fps according to MECHDOC's calculations. I'll take the faster shooting arrow anyday and some KE to boot.
ORIGINAL: early in
I agree with Magic. Shot placement or even being able to get into position for the shot is more important, I believe. Speed is important to a certain degree, but my Vectrix at 63#only shoots my 501gr (heavy)arrow at 250fps (slow by todays standards), but I get 69 1/2 ft/lbs of KE. That's what does my killing. I shot at 3 deer, a 7pt, and 2 doe last year killing all 3 with pass throughs. One of them, a big doe was 30yrds out!I would have to see a deer jump my string at 20yrds or closer to believe it!
A deer that can do that was already on edge, caught odor and or movement.
I agree with Magic. Shot placement or even being able to get into position for the shot is more important, I believe. Speed is important to a certain degree, but my Vectrix at 63#only shoots my 501gr (heavy)arrow at 250fps (slow by todays standards), but I get 69 1/2 ft/lbs of KE. That's what does my killing. I shot at 3 deer, a 7pt, and 2 doe last year killing all 3 with pass throughs. One of them, a big doe was 30yrds out!I would have to see a deer jump my string at 20yrds or closer to believe it!
A deer that can do that was already on edge, caught odor and or movement.
06-22-2008, 03:48 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Pingree Grove, IL
Posts: 1,204
RE: speed kills?????????
ORIGINAL: early in
How close was the deer, and was it on alert in any way?I won't go back and forth with this, and I won't say it never happens either. It has never happened to me though. And yes, raceway, that's an awesome combo you've got going for you. Like I asked before, what do you have like 5 man cards shooting that rig?
ORIGINAL: racewayking
Order "The Grind" from WKP. Todd puts the shot on the heart and the slow motion shows the buck drop a good 6-8 inches and take a high lung shot. I will be putting arount 89# of KE with my new rig with a 410-440gr. arrow but should be hitting 300-310fps according to MECHDOC's calculations. I'll take the faster shooting arrow anyday and some KE to boot.
ORIGINAL: early in
I agree with Magic. Shot placement or even being able to get into position for the shot is more important, I believe. Speed is important to a certain degree, but my Vectrix at 63#only shoots my 501gr (heavy)arrow at 250fps (slow by todays standards), but I get 69 1/2 ft/lbs of KE. That's what does my killing. I shot at 3 deer, a 7pt, and 2 doe last year killing all 3 with pass throughs. One of them, a big doe was 30yrds out!I would have to see a deer jump my string at 20yrds or closer to believe it!
A deer that can do that was already on edge, caught odor and or movement.
I agree with Magic. Shot placement or even being able to get into position for the shot is more important, I believe. Speed is important to a certain degree, but my Vectrix at 63#only shoots my 501gr (heavy)arrow at 250fps (slow by todays standards), but I get 69 1/2 ft/lbs of KE. That's what does my killing. I shot at 3 deer, a 7pt, and 2 doe last year killing all 3 with pass throughs. One of them, a big doe was 30yrds out!I would have to see a deer jump my string at 20yrds or closer to believe it!
A deer that can do that was already on edge, caught odor and or movement.
06-22-2008, 03:52 PM
#24
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Pingree Grove, IL
Posts: 1,204
RE: speed kills?????????
ORIGINAL: iamyourhuckleberry
Raceway,
Do what if right for you...seriously. Don't worry too much what others say.
Two days ago I left the Eastern Cape of South Africa. I was there hunting exclusively with a bow. I was told by everyone I'd be lucky if I shot one animal with a bow. The terrian was steep, rocky, vast, open, and water was extremely abundant (sitting at waterhole was not an option). Despite the naysayers, I came home with eight new species of wildlife under my belt. The slow bows cased their equipment and pulled out rifles (they spent too much money to come home empty handed). I, therefore, know exactly what you're talking about. Hunt for you and find that equipment that works best for you! When you have all the confidence in the world, you'll thumb your nose at those who ridicule you. Best of luck to you my friend.
Raceway,
Do what if right for you...seriously. Don't worry too much what others say.
Two days ago I left the Eastern Cape of South Africa. I was there hunting exclusively with a bow. I was told by everyone I'd be lucky if I shot one animal with a bow. The terrian was steep, rocky, vast, open, and water was extremely abundant (sitting at waterhole was not an option). Despite the naysayers, I came home with eight new species of wildlife under my belt. The slow bows cased their equipment and pulled out rifles (they spent too much money to come home empty handed). I, therefore, know exactly what you're talking about. Hunt for you and find that equipment that works best for you! When you have all the confidence in the world, you'll thumb your nose at those who ridicule you. Best of luck to you my friend.
06-22-2008, 04:04 PM
#26
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Erie, Colorado
Posts: 1,530
RE: speed kills?????????
Thanks Raceway,
When you're ready to put that rig to the test above timberline and on something, let's say, the size of an elk, look me up. You'll be happy you selected speed and poundage.
When you're ready to put that rig to the test above timberline and on something, let's say, the size of an elk, look me up. You'll be happy you selected speed and poundage.
06-22-2008, 04:09 PM
#27
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Pingree Grove, IL
Posts: 1,204
RE: speed kills?????????
Sure thing, a 350" 6x6 or bigger is on my wish list. I'd also like to get an 80" or bigger Antelope and hit that 200" Mule Deer mark. Dang, now I realized how much I have left to accomplish
I'd love to have some more Elk in the freezer, you got me thinking now.
I'd love to have some more Elk in the freezer, you got me thinking now.
06-22-2008, 04:16 PM
#28
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Where the big deer are from, seminole county FL
Posts: 1,435
RE: speed kills?????????
ORIGINAL: iamyourhuckleberry
I am not sure those are fair questions. I mean really, who honestly knows? With so many varibles involved, is there a definite answer-with 100% certainty?
A good archery combines both skill and technology to his advantage. I doubt you'll ever see an astronaut flying a school bus to the moon. And chances are, you'll never see a WWII fighter aircraft going head to head with a modern day jet. Both skilled pilots are obviously going to use their equipment to its fullest potential, but honestly, who do you think is going to win the dogfight?
But my question was How many times has that speed made the difference? And how many times has your skill made the difference?
A good archery combines both skill and technology to his advantage. I doubt you'll ever see an astronaut flying a school bus to the moon. And chances are, you'll never see a WWII fighter aircraft going head to head with a modern day jet. Both skilled pilots are obviously going to use their equipment to its fullest potential, but honestly, who do you think is going to win the dogfight?
06-22-2008, 05:40 PM
#29
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 7,208
RE: speed kills?????????
Does speed matter in this case?
Guy with slow bow estimates deer at 22 yds, Deer is really 27 yds and he misses low.
Same guy with fast bow estimates deer at 22 yds, deer is really 27 yds but he hits it in the heart and kills it.
Guy with slow bow estimates deer at 22 yds, Deer is really 27 yds and he misses low.
Same guy with fast bow estimates deer at 22 yds, deer is really 27 yds but he hits it in the heart and kills it.
06-22-2008, 05:57 PM
#30
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RE: speed kills?????????
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
Does speed matter in this case?
Guy with slow bow estimates deer at 22 yds, Deer is really 27 yds and he misses low.
Same guy with fast bow estimates deer at 22 yds, deer is really 27 yds but he hits it in the heart and kills it.
Does speed matter in this case?
Guy with slow bow estimates deer at 22 yds, Deer is really 27 yds and he misses low.
Same guy with fast bow estimates deer at 22 yds, deer is really 27 yds but he hits it in the heart and kills it.