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I love it ,I hate it ,I feel bad ,I feel guilty for killing somthing so pretty ,I would rather have them run a little out of my site so I can t see them die,if they are in view when they drop I can t miss a thing,I am happy when there down,sad when i look at them dead,THERE IS NO WAY A REAL HUNNTER CAN EXPLAIN HIS FEELING OF THAT ACTION IN MER WORDS UNLESS HE IS A KILLER IN WITCH THEN HE IS NOT A HUNNTER.THERE IS NO WAY FOR A REAL HUNNTER TO ANSWER THIS IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
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I hunt primarily for the challenge,that is the motivation for me.The thing that requires perhaps the greatest proficiency is our ability to close the deal,to make the kill.From that perspective I really look at it like a discipline,can I do what I need to do to take a particular animal.I don't enjoy the actual act of the animal dying,I do take satisfaction in knowing that I was prepared and disciplined enough to get it done.
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ORIGINAL: tsoc I don't enjoy the actual act of the animal dying,I do take satisfaction in knowing that I was prepared and disciplined enough to get it done. Blackfish ....... I think this question IS answerable ,,,,, it might just show us something about ourselves we never thought of and possibly can't accept ..... |
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I do intend to take possession of what I kill,while the challenge is my primary responsibility,the meat will be eaten and there is a good liklihood the head will go on the wall.
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ORIGINAL: tsoc I do intend to take possession of what I kill,while the challenge is my primary responsibility,the meat will be eaten and there is a good liklihood the head will go on the wall. There is a distinction between being successful at hunting and enjoying killing,that was my point. |
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I have killed woodchucks and coyotes and I guess I view that differently.I see those animals as being detrimental to either property in the instance of woodchucks or the deer population as it relates to coyotes.
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: tsoc I don't enjoy the actual act of the animal dying,I do take satisfaction in knowing that I was prepared and disciplined enough to get it done. Blackfish ....... I think this question IS answerable ,,,,, it might just show us something about ourselves we never thought of and possibly can't accept ..... |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: tsoc I do intend to take possession of what I kill,while the challenge is my primary responsibility,the meat will be eaten and there is a good liklihood the head will go on the wall. There is a distinction between being successful at hunting and enjoying killing,that was my point. |
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ORIGINAL: blackfish ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: tsoc I do intend to take possession of what I kill,while the challenge is my primary responsibility,the meat will be eaten and there is a good liklihood the head will go on the wall. There is a distinction between being successful at hunting and enjoying killing,that was my point. Dan |
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I have lost 1 deerso far and I am much better hunter because of it. It sucked, I was only 19 but I have done my best to make nice clean kills ever since. I do have one bellow stuck in my head
from a doe I killed with a rifle 3 years ago and I did not like it but she died quick and thats all I could ask for. T |
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This thread really makes me step back and wonder about myself. Even when I was a youngster running through the woods with my beagles and a single shot 20 gauge hunting rabbits, the adrenalin rush was incredible at the kill. Whether it was because of the kill or because of the anticipation of the kill, I'm not sure. That's never changed for me, and it's amplified unbelieveably while deer hunting.
Now, take a look at the way I am when I'm not hunting. My cat's catch a mouse in the woods and bring it in. If it's still alive, I take it back out to the woods. If I find a snake around the house, I don't kill it. I catch it and take it out to the woods away from the house. I have a small decorative pond in one of my flower beds, and I'm always rescuing toads that get in and can't get out. I even try not to kill wolf spiders I find in the house. I scoop them up and throw them outside. I kind of have a "Klingon" (Star Trek TNG) attitude towards hunting. I believe it's in our genetic make-up. We started out as hunter/gatherers, and I believe it's still in all of us to some extent... some much more than others it seems. The adrenalin rush of the hunt/kill can be and is addictive, but I also know that I'm not a merciless killer. I hate to see the animal I shoot suffer. I want a quick, clean kill. But... I want the kill. |
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ORIGINAL: LittleChief I kind of have a "Klingon" (Star Trek TNG) attitude towards hunting. I believe it's in our genetic make-up. We started out as hunter/gatherers, and I believe it's still in all of us to some extent... some much more than others it seems. The adrenalin rush of the hunt/kill can be and is addictive, but I also know that I'm not a merciless killer. I hate to see the animal I shoot suffer. I want a quick, clean kill. But... I want the kill. Dan |
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ORIGINAL: LittleChief This thread really makes me step back and wonder about myself. Even when I was a youngster running through the woods with my beagles and a single shot 20 gauge hunting rabbits, the adrenalin rush was incredible at the kill. Whether it was because of the kill or because of the anticipation of the kill, I'm not sure. That's never changed for me, and it's amplified unbelieveably while deer hunting. Now, take a look at the way I am when I'm not hunting. My cat's catch a mouse in the woods and bring it in. If it's still alive, I take it back out to the woods. If I find a snake around the house, I don't kill it. I catch it and take it out to the woods away from the house. I have a small decorative pond in one of my flower beds, and I'm always rescuing toads that get in and can't get out. I even try not to kill wolf spiders I find in the house. I scoop them up and throw them outside. I kind of have a "Klingon" (Star Trek TNG) attitude towards hunting. I believe it's in our genetic make-up. We started out as hunter/gatherers, and I believe it's still in all of us to some extent... some much more than others it seems. The adrenalin rush of the hunt/kill can be and is addictive, but I also know that I'm not a merciless killer. I hate to see the animal I shoot suffer. I want a quick, clean kill. But... I want the kill. |
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So this is topic where for a hunter there is no right or wrong answer everyone feels a little different but deep inside feels the same but when posed the ? about coyotes I feel no guilt but a rabbit or a deer i do and I eat those.I need the hunt it is planted somwhere deep inside.I have no answer.I guess I love the kill.
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ORIGINAL: blackfish So this is topic where for a hunter there is no right or wrong answer everyone feels a little different but deep inside feels the same but when posed the ? about coyotes I feel no guilt but a rabbit or a deer i do and I eat those.I need the hunt it is planted somwhere deep inside.I have no answer.I guess I love the kill. |
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I think we're crossing wires here. Deer hunting pumps me up more than any other game I can hunt for FOOD. It's a rush unmatched by other hunts, for me anyway. LittleChief, I shoot copperheads without thinking twice about the "life" I'm taking when I find them around the house. Coyotes? They're vermin. I shoot one, I feel nothing. No remorse. No more than I do when I plunk those "cute" little squirrels (tree rats) off my bird feeders. I don't know why a deer is more special to me life wise than a coyote, but it is. If we didn't like to kill, excuse me, love to kill, we'd all just shoot 3D targets all the time.
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An anti hunter or a non hunter could answer this simply yes or no as alot of us can t answer it good forum
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valor10,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say you think we're crossing wires. I agree that we see some things differently, but I believe we agree on a lot of important issues. Where exactly do you think we are crossing wires? |
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Thiss is very thought provoking to me ... that's why I posted it ......... so there were MANYthat said they would NEVER kill just to kill .... yet they haven't thought about the crows and coyotes, snakes, woodchucks .. etc etc that they have done just that ........
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It was a great topic. It's something that I never really gave much consideration to before. It sort of makes you do a little "self-analysis", you know?
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valor10, I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say you think we're crossing wires. I agree that we see some things differently, but I believe we agree on a lot of important issues. Where exactly do you think we are crossing wires? |
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Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the reply.
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This was by far the most thought provking topic to date not one arguement.Like I said before an anti or a non hunter could answer simply yes or no where a hunter can not think about that
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I never feel bad about a clean kill shot. I feel sick when I place a bad shot. I know that the animal is suffering and I hate it. I don't care for killing just to kill. I think the animal should be utilized or killed for a purpose such as population control or if the animal becomes a threat.
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I never feel bad about a clean kill shot. I feel sick when I place a bad shot. I know that the animal is suffering and I hate it. I don't care for killing just to kill. I think the animal should be utilized or killed for a purpose such as population control or if the animal becomes a threat. |
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ORIGINAL: ICALL2MUCH I never feel bad about a clean kill shot. I feel sick when I place a bad shot. I know that the animal is suffering and I hate it. I don't care for killing just to kill. I think the animal should be utilized or killed for a purpose such as population control or if the animal becomes a threat. |
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I never gave it much thought. Usually as I approach the downed animal my excitement is mixed with a split second of sadness. I have a ritual, kind of, I kneel over the critter, thank God for the blessing, thank the animal, then ecitement and adrenilin kicks back in!!! might sound silly but I been doing it since I was a kid
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Ya know ..wow verry thought prevoking, I dont think my focus, or joy is in the fact that I am taking a life. Yes I love a well placed shot and good blood trail, but killing the animal is all part of the predator role. I dont think the predators of the animal kingdom necessarely enjoy killing, yes they may enjoy the stalk, the chase, and the groceries but the killing is done out of necessity wethier for food, teritory, or defense.
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I think the sheer size of a whitetail deer changes my feelings for them. I can't explain that.
I'm like some others......I don't kill bugs in the house, sometimes. I don't kill squirrels, birds, etc.... Nothing against those who do. I've always associated myself with this quote..... The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the descendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter. - Finn Aagard |
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Oh ya, I forgot to add, I get a kick a$$ adrenalin rush when I stick a trophy buck. I think it's the fact that I just outsmarted a survival machine!:D
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I’ve always had a hard time understanding this “I love to hunt, but really don’t enjoy the kill part”. Or the “It’s the whole experience, not the kill itself” I’m not saying it’s wrong, I just don’t understand it. The whole point of hunting is to kill. No other way to sugarcoat it. We ambush defenseless animals that have very little chance once they’ve been had. Why? Because they taste good, that’s why. If you don’t enjoy killing a deer, why kill it? I enjoy my hunt whether I kill something or not. But I sure enjoy it a lot more when I got something to go it that freezer. If you're really second guessing yourself as to taking that animals life, or feeling bad about taking it’s life, maybe you should re-think what you’re doing. You might be doing something that’s really against your nature. Maybe you do it because it’s perceived as manly. Maybe you do it because the other fellas do it. I don’t know? I’m not a psychotic serial killer; I’m not sexually aroused by killing a deer. My pets are as spoiled as any out there. I just get one heck of a rush when I see or hear that deer crash in the woods. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t hunt them. You’re a hunter; you’re a killer (of animals). They are one and the same. Modern day political correctness doesn’t change that. Doesn’t mean you aren’t a compassionate human being. Doesn’t mean you would ever harm another human being. What’s wrong with admitting snuffing an animal gives you joy? Watching it take its last breath, I think ‘YES”! Not, “poor little creature of the woods”.
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Valor....I don't enjoy whipping my kid's ass.....but I understand it as a necessary evil.....and that it has to be done.
I don't "mind/shy away from/detest" the killing. I just don't enjoy the fact that the animal died at my hands. There's a difference. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I think the sheer size of a whitetail deer changes my feelings for them. I can't explain that. I'm like some others......I don't kill bugs in the house, sometimes. I don't kill squirrels, birds, etc.... Nothing against those who do. I've always associated myself with this quote..... The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the descendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter. - Finn Aagard I like that quote from Aagard .... good stuff. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Valor....I don't enjoy whipping my kid's ass.....but I understand it as a necessary evil.....and that it has to be done. I don't "mind/shy away from/detest" the killing. I just don't enjoy the fact that the animal died at my hands. There's a difference. As already stated, the kill is the culmination of the hunt. It's the goalyou set out to achieve at the very beginning of a hunt. As I've already stated, I love the hunt and I love the kill. Having said that, I agree with you... the kill is a sort of "necessary evil". I feel no remorse whatsoever during the kill, but afterwards, when I have my hands on the animal whose life I just ended,I do feel something. I wouldn't call it remorse, though. As I said before, it's more of a sense of appreciation, admiration, respectand acknowledgement. It is difficult to put into words. I love the kill as a part of the hunt, but I don't enjoy "killing". Doesn't seem to make sense, does it? |
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I love every moment of it, just like said before though only if it's a clean kill. But if I know it's a clean kill or the animal is going to die quickly I love everything about it. Releasing that bow andhearing/seeing that arrow ''SMACK''slam right through that deer right behind the shoulder is probably one of the best feelings I get,and also pulling the trigger on my 11-87 and watching that turkey just fold right up is just a pump. Always said if I wasn't there to kill I'd find much warmer times like summer to set in my treestands and watch deer,and also I'd get to sleep in a lot later in the spring and I'd just drive around and watch turkeys in the field everyday of the season instead of getting in the woods a hr before daylight.
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I just don't enjoy the fact that the animal died at my hands. There's a difference. I wouldn't call it remorse, though. As I said before, it's more of a sense of appreciation, admiration, respectand acknowledgement. |
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I don't know where you get I feel remorse. I never said it.
I don't enjoy the actual act .....the taking of the animal's life. |
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don't enjoy the actual act .....the taking of the animal's life. |
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Why kill a living, breathing creature if the act of killing it is unenjoyable? I have no feelings of regret......just don't "enjoy" the act of killing. I think I'm not in the minority. I could be wrong. |
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ORIGINAL: valor10 I’ve always had a hard time understanding this “I love to hunt, but really don’t enjoy the kill part”. Or the “It’s the whole experience, not the kill itself” I’m not saying it’s wrong, I just don’t understand it. The whole point of hunting is to kill. No other way to sugarcoat it. We ambush defenseless animals that have very little chance once they’ve been had. Why? Because they taste good, that’s why. If you don’t enjoy killing a deer, why kill it? I enjoy my hunt whether I kill something or not. But I sure enjoy it a lot more when I got something to go it that freezer. If you're really second guessing yourself as to taking that animals life, or feeling bad about taking it’s life, maybe you should re-think what you’re doing. You might be doing something that’s really against your nature. Maybe you do it because it’s perceived as manly. Maybe you do it because the other fellas do it. I don’t know? I’m not a psychotic serial killer; I’m not sexually aroused by killing a deer. My pets are as spoiled as any out there. I just get one heck of a rush when I see or hear that deer crash in the woods. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t hunt them. You’re a hunter; you’re a killer (of animals). They are one and the same. Modern day political correctness doesn’t change that. Doesn’t mean you aren’t a compassionate human being. Doesn’t mean you would ever harm another human being. What’s wrong with admitting snuffing an animal gives you joy? Watching it take its last breath, I think ‘YES”! Not, “poor little creature of the woods”. |
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