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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Hey Tony..... I thought about something this morning... I used to flyfish a LOT (more than I hunt). To my knowledge....I never killed a trout. The end of a 1/2 day in a stream....in which I caught a few fish....was extremely enjoyable...."successful", even. All that.....and (again, to my knowledge)....I never killed a fish. I was also an avid saltwater fisherman when I lived in Charleston, SC....and I killed a bunch of fish! (no problem doing so, either) The 8 pointer I took last year.....who now is on my wall.....I wish, somehow (in a strange way)....he was still out there. Do I regret killing him? Do I have remorse (now)? No way. But did I take "pleasure" in killing him? No. I just didn't. I respect yours and others views on the kill aspect. I just don't have a drive to do the actual act. It's "a" part of the hunt I am fine with, internally, though. I don't think we're ever going to understand how the other is wired. I fall in lock step, it seems, with BigJ. Have a great week. Your feelings about your 8 pointer ... I TOTALLY understand ..... I can relate more to you, than the guys that say they feel nothing. The many emotions that course through me, are what give me the love of the kill .... the elation, the little bit of regret, the respect, the admiration .... I hope this makes a little sense .... as I said, I believe we are closer in our feelings than may appear on the surface ...... and in reality, the fact of how easy or hard it was for us just MAY have something to do with it ... BTW .. I have thoroughly enjoyed listening to everyones view on this subject ...it has been very interesting |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony BTW .. I have thoroughly enjoyed listening to everyones view on this subject ...it has been very interesting ORIGINAL: PreacherTony you cath them and fight them |
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I learned one thing from this who I would hunt with and who I would not and pleasently suprized most I would.Fish don t feel pain because they fight against the hook when you hook a seal they come right toward you and don t fight thats how I know this.Some fish I catch i do feel badlike when you catch a 700 lb bluefin and it is 17 years old or a 20lb lobster thats 50 years old
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: GMMAT I would not have any bad feelings about putting a bullet in a child molersters head, does that make me bad? Nobody said anythig about feeling bad (afterwards). Would you "enjoy" it whie you were doing it? I don't need to know the answer to that. It had to do with a kidnapping and there was one scene where a man confronts a child molester who had just killed a child and the way the scene unfolds is probably very accurate, but how the "good guy" feels later is probably accurate as well. Lets' just say he was right but there was no joy in what was done. As far as killing deer, turkey, animals. I am no cold blooded killerbut at the same time I don't get too mamsy-pamsy about it either.To this day I can remember the first animal I everkilled(squirrel) and the way I felt immediately afterward, it didn't make me not want to hunt any more but it was there. I guess it is a mix of sympathyandcompassion, it's hard to sum up in words. That feeling is a necessary one and IMO a good one. Kind of like the feelings of excitemnet and anticipation before and during a hunt. If I ever lose any of those feelings it might be time to take a break. Hunting is a very personal, often solitary experience for most of us and I have found there is a broad range of emotions I feel while hunting and taking animals, those emotions are a huge part of the hunt, to me anyway, and I just don't think it would be the same if I were void of any of them. |
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Interesting thread indeed. You know, I’ve never mounted a head. I’ve never hunted deer for the rack. I take no offense of those that do, and I’m very appreciative of a nice mount. It’s just not me. I take the same pleasure in killing a young doe, as I do a mature buck. I hunt deer for the sport of killing them, to eat. I’ve said a prayer and thanked the Lord over every kill I’ve made. I believe animals feel pain, whether at the end of an arrow, or in the slaughter house. My goal is to end their lives quickly, but it is to end their lives. I feel I owe them that. If I didn’t love to do it, I wouldn’t do it. That’s where my understanding problem comes in. I have also watched deer from my stand for hours, just to watch them, without ever raising my waepon. I love em'.
Nobody has any more respect an admiration for wildlife than I do. Nobody. I really don’t mind the tree rats all the much either; until there’s 20 of them on the feeders. They’re not good at sharing. I’ve got a raccoon that comes by every evening for about 15 minutes of seed. He could care less what I’m doing in the yard anymore. I got a bear that keeps taking down the feeders if there’s any seed left after the birds, squirrels, and coon get done. I don’t kill animals indiscriminately, just to kill them. That’s what targets and clay pidgins are for. Anybody got a chicken coop? A fruit orchard? Live and let live, until it becomes a problem. Coyotes,copperheads, rats, andmiceare a problem around the house, right from the get go. We are wired differently. Which is why some of us could put a bullet into a child molesters head, and others couldn’t. Some look at it as still a human life; others look at it as preventing the destruction of another young person’s life. Some of us don’t believe in giving copperheads a second chance to strike. |
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We are wired differently. Which is why some of us could put a bullet into a child molesters head, and others couldn’t. |
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Again....let's don't confuse things. I could absolutely see myself doing this. I just couldn't see me "enjoying" it. |
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ORIGINAL: NEW61375 That feeling is a necessary one and IMO a good one. Kind of like the feelings of excitemnet and anticipation before and during a hunt. If I ever lose any of those feelings it might be time to take a break. Hunting is a very personal, often solitary experience for most of us and I have found there is a broad range of emotions I feel while hunting and taking animals, those emotions are a huge part of the hunt, to me anyway, and I just don't think it would be the same if I were void of any of them. |
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Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting:
2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problemand plushe could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happyabout shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. You can see Zac's first hunt at this link if you like: http://www.aimlowproductions.com/images/video_gallery/Zac's%201st%20Deer.wmv |
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ORIGINAL: valor10 We are wired differently. Which is why some of us could put a bullet into a child molesters head, and others couldn’t. Some look at it as still a human life; others look at it as preventing the destruction of another young person’s life. Some of us don’t believe in giving copperheads a second chance to strike. ORIGINAL: valor10 We are wired differently. Which is why some of us could put a bullet into a child molesters head, and others couldn’t. Again....let's don't confuse things. I could absolutely see myself doing this. I just couldn't see me "enjoying" it. |
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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting: 2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problem and plus he could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happy about shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. You can see Zac's first hunt at this link if you like: http://www.aimlowproductions.com/images/video_gallery/Zac's%201st%20Deer.wmv |
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Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting: 2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problemand plushe could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happyabout shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. |
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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting: 2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problemand plushe could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happyabout shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. You can see Zac's first hunt at this link if you like: http://www.aimlowproductions.com/images/video_gallery/Zac's%201st%20Deer.wmv |
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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting: 2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problemand plushe could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happyabout shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. You can see Zac's first hunt at this link if you like: http://www.aimlowproductions.com/images/video_gallery/Zac's%201st%20Deer.wmv |
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ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: PreacherTony BTW .. I have thoroughly enjoyed listening to everyones view on this subject ...it has been very interesting ORIGINAL: PreacherTony you cath them and fight them |
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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting: 2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problemand plushe could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happyabout shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. You can see Zac's first hunt at this link if you like: http://www.aimlowproductions.com/images/video_gallery/Zac's%201st%20Deer.wmv |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: PreacherTony BTW .. I have thoroughly enjoyed listening to everyones view on this subject ...it has been very interesting ORIGINAL: PreacherTony you cath them and fight them |
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I should have Zac look at the poll and give me his vote...would be interesting. Funny thing is my daughter (started at 9, now 15) never once seemed to have those internal issues with the killing. Animal shows up, and she puts the smackdown on it, LOL.
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ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: PreacherTony BTW .. I have thoroughly enjoyed listening to everyones view on this subject ...it has been very interesting ORIGINAL: PreacherTony you cath them and fight them |
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Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting: 2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problemand plushe could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happyabout shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: PreacherTony BTW .. I have thoroughly enjoyed listening to everyones view on this subject ...it has been very interesting ORIGINAL: PreacherTony you cath them and fight them |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony LOL ....see above, Einstein! :D Please don't kill me ......:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: valor10 Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting: 2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problemand plushe could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happyabout shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. |
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ORIGINAL: blackfish ORIGINAL: valor10 Here is a little story that fits this debate and you might find interesting: 2007 was my son's first year to get to hunt deer (age 9 at the time). 2 days before the hunt, he was in my truck and broke down crying, saying he didn't want to disappoint me but didn't think he would be able to actually kill a deer. Hmmm...after a little bit of thought, I asked him if he would be willing to go along and be on the hunt, but yet if a deer was there and he decided he did not want to kill it, it would be no problemand plushe could just let his sister shoot it. I also explained to him that he would enjoy just going along, seeing some deer, and being with the other guys and his sister. So...he thought that sounded good. Fast fwd two days. A doe is coming. He sees it. I ask if he wants to shoot, but already know the answer because he is breathing really hard and shaking. He says "yes", but the deer veers away. After it is gone, he asks me "why am I shaking and breathing so hard?" I do my best to explain to him he had "doe fever". Next morning, he smokes his first deer with a perfect shot. A little tentative on the recovery, even a little bit teary eyed, but most definitely proud of himself and his accomplishment. Wasn't long before he was asking about next year. Sure enough, next year he passed on a couple does and shot his first buck. No hesitation, no tentativeness on the recovery. A true hunter no doubt. I think Zac's innocence and first hand experience of killing that first deer is a true picture of most hunters. Indeed, the epitomy of the "hunter's paradox", and Zac said it best later when he said, "Dad...it is really weird that I felt so excited and happyabout shooting that doe, but sad at the same time." And, like all of us, without trying, he just "knew" what was right inside himself when it was time for the second kill. Anyway, anyone cry when they killed their first deer??? As a young teen, I did ..... don't get me wrong, I was elated, but at the same time, I had a hard time .... that deer was special to me as she was the first deer I killed ..... kinda hard to explain ... |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Anyway, anyone cry when they killed their first deer??? As a young teen, I did ..... don't get me wrong, I was elated, but at the same time, I had a hard time .... that deer was special to me as she was the first deer I killed ..... kinda hard to explain ... |
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ORIGINAL: magicman54494 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Anyway, anyone cry when they killed their first deer??? As a young teen, I did ..... don't get me wrong, I was elated, but at the same time, I had a hard time .... that deer was special to me as she was the first deer I killed ..... kinda hard to explain ... Seriously .... how old were you and did you get sad at all? |
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ORIGINAL: blackfish The Mathews site is giving away free stuff!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low ORIGINAL: blackfish The Mathews site is giving away free stuff!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: magicman54494 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Anyway, anyone cry when they killed their first deer??? As a young teen, I did ..... don't get me wrong, I was elated, but at the same time, I had a hard time .... that deer was special to me as she was the first deer I killed ..... kinda hard to explain ... Seriously .... how old were you and did you get sad at all? I was 12 when I killed my first deer. And truthfully I never felt any sorrow at all. I was soooo pumped up. If I didn't run out of bullets I would have killed the doe that was with him. If I felt bad about killing a deer I would quit hunting. I do get sick to my stomach when I place a poor shot and I know the deer will suffer. |
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ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low ORIGINAL: blackfish The Mathews site is giving away free stuff!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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ORIGINAL: blackfish The Mathews site is giving away free stuff!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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ORIGINAL: magicman54494 If I didn't run out of bullets I would have killed the doe that was with him. |
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ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: magicman54494 If I didn't run out of bullets I would have killed the doe that was with him.  |
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OK heres the story. I'm 12 years old on my first hunt. A buck and doe run out into the marsh. I shoot twice at the buck. I don't hit him. so I stop shooting to gather myself. They start running right at me. I hold on the buck and at about 40 yds he slams on the brakes. I fire and down he goes. My dad and grandpa told me they can get up and run. I have one bullet left in the gun. The doe just stands there looking at the buck. I want to shoot her but I don't want my buck to get away. She finally runs off, he never gets up. I'm proud of the fact that I refocused and ended up shooting the buck and that I also was able to keep track of how many bullets I had left. How many first timers can say that?
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^ that true(aboutremebering how many bullets you had left)but my first time i wont have to worry about that cause i have all singles shots[8D]
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