I mean really.....
04-29-2008 | 09:51 PM
#151
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RE: I mean really.....
ORIGINAL: Big Country
Did anybody else on this thread say they were going after a giraffe?
Did anybody else on this thread say they were going after a giraffe?
1. Because the opportunity is there for something that is not ordinary. Contrary to some other's here, I don't look at traveling far and wide as "somehow just not right". In this lifetime you better believe I want to experience all that I can fit in. Out of what we consider normal doesn't have to equate to "silly", "stupid", or "wrong".
2. The challenge. Again, contrary to some of the false and ignorant opinions (yeah you blackfish), you ain't gonna just walk up on a giraffe and launch an arrow into it. If the show discussed did that, then they were hunting a pen, plain and simple. The fact is that giraffes are regarded as a great challenge to get within bow range of. They also are just plain tough, with minimum equipment restrictions placed on them accordingly.
3. The trophy aspect of the hide. I have no desire for a head, neck, shoulder mount.
I never really looked at the original post as a bad thing for hunters. I can understand someone just not being interested. I aksed and never gotten answered...but stillwonder what makes hunting one "silly"?
As far as blackfish's assumption that someone like me is "crazy" and "rich getting bored"....well definitelyas far from rich as possible. I guess iftraveling is crazy as you stated, then I am crazy. I am sure it is crazy to jump in mytruck and drive 20 hours to shoot stingrays with a bow, but I got the itch to do it, went and did it, and thought it was awesome. Hopefully if my Africa trip pans out...I'll come back with the whole experience and think it was awesome too, wondering why some folks are so content to sit back in their little corner of complacency and narrowmindedness and somehow tell others they are wrong or silly forseeing what else the world has to offer.
04-29-2008 | 10:01 PM
#152
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I mean really.....
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
VA ..... what is Jeff paying you to keep this thread going?
You are managing it rather nicely .......
VA ..... what is Jeff paying you to keep this thread going?
You are managing it rather nicely .......
04-29-2008 | 10:02 PM
#153
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I mean really.....
The following posts sum up exactly how I feel about this topic: [8D]
original: blackfish
I WANT THE NECK ROAST I GOT A BIG LONG PAN.There are some whales that are over populated I would have no problem sticking a harpoon in them like my grandfather did but bleeding harts like vanbowmen won t let me that colledge boy thing is starting to show but I like you go back to poop under your stands threads you seem to have more experince with them
I WANT THE NECK ROAST I GOT A BIG LONG PAN.There are some whales that are over populated I would have no problem sticking a harpoon in them like my grandfather did but bleeding harts like vanbowmen won t let me that colledge boy thing is starting to show but I like you go back to poop under your stands threads you seem to have more experince with them
original: blackfish
Thats good I am glad whens the lasttime you walk up in the open on a white tail buck like that guy did with that giraffe or any african game from what I have seen with the exception of a couple speices.Some guy just killed a zebra on t v with 475 or some cannon that looked tough 5 guys dressed in white kakis the hunnter in real tree funny.
Thats good I am glad whens the lasttime you walk up in the open on a white tail buck like that guy did with that giraffe or any african game from what I have seen with the exception of a couple speices.Some guy just killed a zebra on t v with 475 or some cannon that looked tough 5 guys dressed in white kakis the hunnter in real tree funny.
original: deerhunterAR32
u say about why he may have payed alot but that helps there country and the kids who have no food almost all them hunts the meant goes to the villages u get skin and the privlage to mount and the thought of helping the hungery and i thank the people who contribute to them u think its getting bad her in united states take a trip over there and see all the children. ull think different
u say about why he may have payed alot but that helps there country and the kids who have no food almost all them hunts the meant goes to the villages u get skin and the privlage to mount and the thought of helping the hungery and i thank the people who contribute to them u think its getting bad her in united states take a trip over there and see all the children. ull think different
original: deerhunterAR32
if there the only one who care why did u get all these replys.
if there the only one who care why did u get all these replys.
original: deerhunterAR32
history needs to be tought just like more people should teach the importance of keeping hunting alive it not only has to provid the hunter but the people around u in need of foods and clothes that can not be aforded by families
history needs to be tought just like more people should teach the importance of keeping hunting alive it not only has to provid the hunter but the people around u in need of foods and clothes that can not be aforded by families
j/k bf and dh
04-30-2008 | 03:19 AM
#155
Giant Nontypical
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RE: I mean really.....
ORIGINAL: valor10
Going political Bro, bad move when your facts are wrong. The squatters in South Africa have ruined the farm land. You can argue all day about whether they (the white folk) deserved it. Without the diamond mines, it'd be like the rest of the countries on that continent. Me? My Irish a$$ ain't apologizing for anything my ancestors did. Using modern day "morals" to judge actions of those in the past is just plain wrong, and irresponsible. You started this post by questioning someone's hunting. Who cares? They are animals. Different folks like hunting different critters.Whatever lites your wick.
Nodog, I know exactly just that, they won't get a dime, my point is they very well may not see it either way, and Im not sure anyone really cares. Except for them. Im sorry that this thread turned into this in a way, but in a way it is good dialogue for many of us. I said from the start that I was ignorant to it for the most part and that I wanted to know what compelled people to shoot giraffes. Ok, maybe I could have said it a different way, but I was shocked to see it on tv honestly. As far as black Africans and their relations with white Afrikaans, yes Afrikaans is the correct spelling for the whites Im speaking of. If you look at the history of colonization in Africa as a whole, it was quite lop-sided. In favor of the Europeans. To the Europeans, African history starts with them, when they came to colonize. Read any book by a European historian on Africa and you will see the slant. As far as land being taken back from the whites, well, who's was it start with? Let's remember that apartheid was only dismantled in the 1990's and these people have become dependent upon a system that has completely failed them. Remember the plight of the natives in this country, colonization destroyed their lifestyle. Im not saying that the whites in Africa should have their land taken back, but then again, it was taken from them, put yourself in their shoes, and in the shoes of the Native Americans here, couldn't blame them if they wanted it back either....
And I knowfor a fact that the people of Africa have benefited from thehundredsof thousands of dollars the people I know have spent there. It is also customary to tip the help when a hunt is over ta boot.
When the land was taken people were given a date they had to be out by. Many found out that the date was bogus and the government showed up days/weeks earlier and force the people to leave with whatever they could carry, quickly. One family I know of was on to that and had most everything removed before they were treated this way. If the government has no interest in the people, who were they taking the property for? This was no righting of a wrong, just Africa as usual.
Hunters take cash for a reason. The government limits the amount for their own reason. Hunters I know have also taken goods with them for the people there.
04-30-2008 | 04:29 AM
#156
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I mean really.....
Teachers teach. But, before they can effectively teach, they must learn. The more I travel, the more I learn. The most I've learned is that I know very little about the world. I guess that's the main reason why I continue to travel. I seek to know more. Undoubtly, that knowledge is gained by first hand experience rather than hear se. I use hunting as my avenue to gain more knowledge and to test what I have learned. I guess I'm crazy too...yeah, I guess I'm rich and bored. Hardly!
Africa is a place you must experience. Once you do so, your whole preconceived notion of the place will disipate. It is such a complex spot on the planet. There are so many facets. Again, a trip there will leave your mind and eyes wide open. I'd say "save and plan". Take the entire Summmer. Go explore! Come back with first hand experience. Pass that experience on (reminds me of the preist teaching sex ed)...
As far as sneaking up on giraffes? Hmmm... if you had that vantage point, do you think something could sneak up on you? I would say "surprising" a giraffe is more like it. Do you ever wonder why they do not show the "hard" hunts on TV?
Seriously, the world is not flat!
Africa is a place you must experience. Once you do so, your whole preconceived notion of the place will disipate. It is such a complex spot on the planet. There are so many facets. Again, a trip there will leave your mind and eyes wide open. I'd say "save and plan". Take the entire Summmer. Go explore! Come back with first hand experience. Pass that experience on (reminds me of the preist teaching sex ed)...
As far as sneaking up on giraffes? Hmmm... if you had that vantage point, do you think something could sneak up on you? I would say "surprising" a giraffe is more like it. Do you ever wonder why they do not show the "hard" hunts on TV?
Seriously, the world is not flat!
04-30-2008 | 05:24 AM
#158
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RE: I mean really.....
Valor, please elaborate on the squatters... My understanding of squatting is done mostly in the urban centers of South Africa, and just on the outskirts of the cities, not the large farms... oh yeh even I don't really like this guy he said the truth here....
Anarchist Colin Ward comments: "Squatting is the oldest mode of tenure in the world, and we are all descended from squatters. This is as true of the Queen [of the United Kingdom] with her 176,000 acres as it is of the 54 per cent of householders in Britain who are owner-occupiers. They are all the ultimate recipients of stolen land, for to regard our planet as a commodity offends every conceivable principle of natural rights." do you really want to talk about the diamond mines and the tragedies there??[2]your turn
Anarchist Colin Ward comments: "Squatting is the oldest mode of tenure in the world, and we are all descended from squatters. This is as true of the Queen [of the United Kingdom] with her 176,000 acres as it is of the 54 per cent of householders in Britain who are owner-occupiers. They are all the ultimate recipients of stolen land, for to regard our planet as a commodity offends every conceivable principle of natural rights." do you really want to talk about the diamond mines and the tragedies there??[2]your turn
04-30-2008 | 06:41 AM
#159
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RE: I mean really.....
ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low
yep, I did, long ago, and spoke up first. I gave my reasons too...but those seem to have gotten lost in the many pages. I definitely did not ever say that I do it to help the local economy. They will get all or most of the meat and that is fine. My reasons once more:
1. Because the opportunity is there for something that is not ordinary. Contrary to some other's here, I don't look at traveling far and wide as "somehow just not right". In this lifetime you better believe I want to experience all that I can fit in. Out of what we consider normal doesn't have to equate to "silly", "stupid", or "wrong".
2. The challenge. Again, contrary to some of the false and ignorant opinions (yeah you blackfish), you ain't gonna just walk up on a giraffe and launch an arrow into it. If the show discussed did that, then they were hunting a pen, plain and simple. The fact is that giraffes are regarded as a great challenge to get within bow range of. They also are just plain tough, with minimum equipment restrictions placed on them accordingly.
3. The trophy aspect of the hide. I have no desire for a head, neck, shoulder mount.
I never really looked at the original post as a bad thing for hunters. I can understand someone just not being interested. I aksed and never gotten answered...but stillwonder what makes hunting one "silly"?
As far as blackfish's assumption that someone like me is "crazy" and "rich getting bored"....well definitelyas far from rich as possible. I guess iftraveling is crazy as you stated, then I am crazy. I am sure it is crazy to jump in mytruck and drive 20 hours to shoot stingrays with a bow, but I got the itch to do it, went and did it, and thought it was awesome. Hopefully if my Africa trip pans out...I'll come back with the whole experience and think it was awesome too, wondering why some folks are so content to sit back in their little corner of complacency and narrowmindedness and somehow tell others they are wrong or silly forseeing what else the world has to offer.
ORIGINAL: Big Country
Did anybody else on this thread say they were going after a giraffe?
Did anybody else on this thread say they were going after a giraffe?
1. Because the opportunity is there for something that is not ordinary. Contrary to some other's here, I don't look at traveling far and wide as "somehow just not right". In this lifetime you better believe I want to experience all that I can fit in. Out of what we consider normal doesn't have to equate to "silly", "stupid", or "wrong".
2. The challenge. Again, contrary to some of the false and ignorant opinions (yeah you blackfish), you ain't gonna just walk up on a giraffe and launch an arrow into it. If the show discussed did that, then they were hunting a pen, plain and simple. The fact is that giraffes are regarded as a great challenge to get within bow range of. They also are just plain tough, with minimum equipment restrictions placed on them accordingly.
3. The trophy aspect of the hide. I have no desire for a head, neck, shoulder mount.
I never really looked at the original post as a bad thing for hunters. I can understand someone just not being interested. I aksed and never gotten answered...but stillwonder what makes hunting one "silly"?
As far as blackfish's assumption that someone like me is "crazy" and "rich getting bored"....well definitelyas far from rich as possible. I guess iftraveling is crazy as you stated, then I am crazy. I am sure it is crazy to jump in mytruck and drive 20 hours to shoot stingrays with a bow, but I got the itch to do it, went and did it, and thought it was awesome. Hopefully if my Africa trip pans out...I'll come back with the whole experience and think it was awesome too, wondering why some folks are so content to sit back in their little corner of complacency and narrowmindedness and somehow tell others they are wrong or silly forseeing what else the world has to offer.
04-30-2008 | 07:27 AM
#160
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RE: I mean really.....
No, I’d rather talk bow hunting. Let’s see, since the end of apartheid, the black homeless armed forces (squatters) have forcefully taken and destroyed much of the countries agriculture ability, and found their way into the South African National Defense Force. It’s become known as the worst, and leading, country in the world in the trafficking of Asian, Eastern European, and African refugee women and children for forced labor and sexual exploitation. They have the highest number of HIV positive people in the world, and their President, Thabo Mbeki, denies any link between HIV and AIDS. His possible successor, Jacob Zumu, was acquitted of rape charges, and is now facing corruption charges for money laundering, fraud, and racketeering. After having sex with an HIV positive woman, he said it wasn’t a problem, because she washed first. He’s backed by the communists. Not exactly what Nelson Mandela had in mind, I’m thinking, and you're worried about a frickin' giraffe?