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RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels I know that I now feel aggresive after reading all past 12 pages.[:@] I'm gonna go kick something. REAL HARD! 
You had to read it didn't you... They HAVE to check out an aggressive aproach[8D] J/k |
RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
So what call would bring you in? You're not a mature turkey, but you're no Jake either |
RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle No doubt about it, Germ. That is why it is so hard to pick what 5 day season to put in for in MN, it is hit-or-miss. You're going to hunt "henned" birds, or birds that are ready and willing. It has more to do with breeding then calling IMO |
RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels So what call would bring you in? You're not a mature turkey, but you're no Jake either Crow calls, now there is an aggressive approach:D |
RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
Sometimes I have to start the morning off being an agressive caller to get a bird to gobble.:eek:After that, it depends on how fired up the bird is. If he's responding to every call I make then I'll find a point where I make the "hen" seem uninterested. He'll still come and he'll also gobble to get an update on the "hen's" location. Sometimes I make the mistake of answering his every gobble because I likes to.:D
If my aggressive calling only sparks a "shock" gobble and nothing more then my tactics change. I may move closer to investigate. But you never know, that gobbler may have answered only once but its heading in your direction as quick as his little two legs can carry him.:)Thats the thing with these crazy birds. Just because one bird does one thing doesn't mean they all will do the same. |
RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
Around here the hunting has little or nothing to do with the gobbler itself, it has to do with the hens. It is VERY rare to find a gobbler that isn't henned up, this includes on the roost. Once they fly down, you can get a few gobbles of some soft calling, but that isn't going to make him leave the party, the only thing you can do is try to bring the party to you. How? By pissin the hens off. Fighting purrs and aggressive cutting is the only way to get the hens fired up enough that they come in, and Mr. Tom is following right behind.
As far as aggressive or passive calling determining the maturity of the birds that come in, I don't see that being a factor at all. A gobbler, mature or not, will change its attitude at the drop of a dime for no reason at all. Also, jakes are constantly pushing their ways onto the mature gobblers hens. They are very brave birds and it usually will cost them, but they still do it, its their nature. They are programmed to breed with hens in the spring, that is part of every male bird, and they will try to fulfill that mission no matter what other birds are in the area. I have watched a very large boss tom strutting with 5 hens in a field just to see a jake bust out of the woods and running in front of the gobbler to strut in front of the hens. He got his butt kicked, but he still did it. As far as run and gun bowhunters, I am one. I have my turkey vest, with two or three decoys in the back pouch, a blind with a fold up stool on my back, and a bow in my hand. Takes about two minutes to pop the blind up, throw out the decoys, unfold the stool and get ready for the birds. This is usually more dependant on the time of the day. For the 1-1/2 to 2 hours in the morning, I am running and gunning. The birds are usually still in the hardwoods at this time and its the best way to up my chances. After that, the birds usually make their way to the fields and thats when I get to where they are going and set-up and become more passive in my hunting style.! |
RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
ORIGINAL: Buck Magnet Around here the hunting has little or nothing to do with the gobbler itself, it has to do with the hens. It is VERY rare to find a gobbler that isn't henned up, this includes on the roost. Once they fly down, you can get a few gobbles of some soft calling, but that isn't going to make him leave the party, the only thing you can do is try to bring the party to you. How? By pissin the hens off. Fighting purrs and aggressive cutting is the only way to get the hens fired up enough that they come in, and Mr. Tom is following right behind. As far as aggressive or passive calling determining the maturity of the birds that come in, I don't see that being a factor at all. A gobbler, mature or not, will change its attitude at the drop of a dime for no reason at all. Also, jakes are constantly pushing their ways onto the mature gobblers hens. They are very brave birds and it usually will cost them, but they still do it, its their nature. They are programmed to breed with hens in the spring, that is part of every male bird, and they will try to fulfill that mission no matter what other birds are in the area. I have watched a very large boss tom strutting with 5 hens in a field just to see a jake bust out of the woods and running in front of the gobbler to strut in front of the hens. He got his butt kicked, but he still did it. As far as run and gun bowhunters, I am one. I have my turkey vest, with two or three decoys in the back pouch, a blind with a fold up stool on my back, and a bow in my hand. Takes about two minutes to pop the blind up, throw out the decoys, unfold the stool and get ready for the birds. This is usually more dependant on the time of the day. For the 1-1/2 to 2 hours in the morning, I am running and gunning. The birds are usually still in the hardwoods at this time and its the best way to up my chances. After that, the birds usually make their way to the fields and thats when I get to where they are going and set-up and become more passive in my hunting style.! |
RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
Lets get one thing straight here. Calling tactics dont change based on weapon, calling tactics change based on hunting style. Half the "vets" i know around here are THE most passive gun hunters ever, pick a tree and wait till lunch.:D The other half dont just enjoy killing turkeys, they enjoy calling them in, aggressively. Both are effective methods.
Also the effective range is a wash. Nearly everyone CAN shoot a turkey at 30-40 yards with his bow. Id be willing to say that 80% of gun hunters keep their range 45 yards and in, if not more of them. So again, if someone is hunting from a blind, weapon has ABSOLUTELY no merit in the conversation. I tend to call in between, once I KNOW he is coming, I shut up until I can see him. I wait and call as needed once he is in sight. And before youcall my experience in to question Jeff, I have only hunted turkey for 7 years now. Started back in 2001, and called in and killed a jake on my own on my very first hunt, pops was there just watchin. Since then I have taken one fall hen(Thanksgiving Turkey), 4 jakes, and two Toms. All shotgun, never had the interest in Bow hunting them until this spring. My farthest shot was 40 yards, which I could repeat with a bow, soI fail to see the difference. Thisyear my setup willbe Matrix 360 Bow/Gun (depending on mood im in) Pack or Vest Stool Pretty Boy (first and last weekend) Deltahot hen for all other hunts If someone wants a frustrating hunt, go hunt the pine plantations and swamps down south in AL, LA, MS, etc. Hats off to the guys who consistently kill those tight lipped birds. |
RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
Im a little of both, different situations call for different tactics. If i have a nearby bird thats HOT Ill be more passive and call less and let it play out. If i feel the birds are fading ill get a little more agressive. Sometimes mimiking a hen with agressive calls will bring her in, and hope that paintbrush is not far behind. for the most, im somewhat passive.
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RE: Passive or aggressive philosophy?
I am aggresive caller. The last 3 bird I shot were 24.2 lb double beard (9.5,4.5) 1" hooks. 2 year ago an adult tom but a smaller one I think around 50 NWTF score. 3 year ago 25+ lb 11" and over 1" hooks. You can call agresive and be succesfull. BTW no blind.
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