Care to explain this further? This is an accurate depiction of the anatomy of the bones and the shoulder. Your comments are misleading. There are three places that contain cartilage on the shoulder region of the deer. Can you tell me what/where they are?

If we want to get technical, the green dot is a long ways from the shoulder. It is about 2 inches above the olecranon, part of the joint below the shoulder.

quickly dead deer=good shot

After this photo, the ketchup was cleaned off the buck, and he was given some adrenalin to wake back up to ward off the symptoms of the tranquilizer shot. The buck was given $50 for participating in a live biology study. What a nice buck.

But for real, I arrowed a doe just like in the first picture posted from the ground this year, a little more than slightly quartering away....the arrow passed through and came out right in front of the far leg....the Muzzy cut the does heart in half. She literally ran 25 yards and fell over dead in 5 seconds. I waited 2 minutes, then walked over to dead doe.

But for real, I arrowed a doe just like in the first picture posted from the ground this year, a little more than slightly quartering away....the arrow passed through and came out right in front of the far leg....the Muzzy cut the does heart in half. She literally ran 25 yards and fell over dead in 5 seconds. I waited 2 minutes, then walked over to dead doe.

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Cool story! I like em like that. I have made "perfect shoots" and tracked them for extreme distances. I ve also made "questionable shoots" and had them spin around and die with in feet of the shoot.

Even though the cat is out of the bag (nice shot BTW Jeff) I'll through my $.02 in here.

On a quartering away shot as you described, I would have put the "pipper" (sorry...been watching "Dog Fights" on the History channel)about 2-3 inches forward and slightly higher than your entrance hole as I would want to get right in the middle of the vitals. This would put my entrance somewhere between your hit and Greg's green dot only higher.

You can't argue with the results though, I believe you said you took out one lung and the heart right? Unless the deer was quartering more than I'm thinking, you probably took out the lower backside of the heart? If you hit right trough the middle of the heart then (judging by the entrance hole) the deer was quartering more than I understood it to have been.

Anything that any of us write is just going to be monday morning quarterbacking... Jeff did you need your ego stroked or something? The deer was dead inside 50 yards... think the shot placement was right? DUH? Based on the feedback you gave us and the eventual location of the arrow, I'd say the deer was at a full quarter away... not slightly quartering. Slightly quartering, and that hit does appear to be a touch back. You would have caught the liver anyway, which is just as good. But to end up through the heart and under and forward in the shoulder bone from where that entrance is says that either that deer reacted to the shot or it was a bit more quartering than you thought.

We can micro analyse the shot...but in short, the deer is dead! So for me it would be a good shot. Just the opinion of someone that mainly hunts hogs and bear though.

As others said, dead deer=great shot. I would have aimed a bit higher, just like you said ,Jeff, to compensate for the treestand height. No arguments here

Here you go, this oughta help some with the shoulder discussions. I will just add one thing to it...there is no shoulder socket on a deer. Their shoulder blade is a floating joint.

I found one with a "shoulder shot". The shot was 12 yards broadside from 14 feet up. No bones or cartilage interfered with this shot. You are looking at the exit hole, the entrance was directly accross and the arrow was in the ground. The BH was a Thunderhead which I don't use anymore. It was a double lung and severed the arteries on top of the heart.I watched this deer crash 35 yards from my stand.

I was very proud of this shot. It's one of those green dot shots.