D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

After 5 attempts at trying to get a D-loop to stay seated on my 82nd, I think I have it whipped.

The advice.......BCY D-Loop material. I had 4 different shop techs (of whom I know 2, personally....and can vouch for their knowledge of all things "bow") tie on 4 different D-loops. Each time they would not stay seated....and would "spin" on the serving. I know there were at least 2 different type materials used.....but obviously not BCY.

I shot a 3D tournament on 2/24 and was MISERABLE. The D-loop was spinning badly. What a PITA.

I ordered some BCY material from LAS on Sunday evening....and tied my first loop this past Friday. Piece of cake....and it seated perfectly.

I contacted Bowtech about my issues (prior to ordering the BCY materials) and Pat replied that it might have something to do with the short stop. Makes sense to me.

If you have an 82nd......take all this with a grain of salt. If I were Bowtech.....I'd be telling my dealers that they may have some "issues" (albeit...int he scheme of things .....very minor) unless this material is used on the loops.

No dog in the fight. My first experience with BCY. I don't know a thing about them. No ties. GREAT stuff.

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Jeff, for what it's worth I've had issues with non-BCY loops on other bows as well. Once you get a BCY loop on there, they don't budge.

Good advice.

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:eek:

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I have had issues with some of the loop material I put on my Guardian as well. I dont think it has anything to do with the bow tho. If you are getting that thicker camo string put on it will spin all day long on my bow. That stuff is worthless. It is too thick and doesnt sinch down well enough. I use the stuff Gibblet sells , and it works really well. I'm not sure what that material is. A guy at the shop here put some wax on my loop material before he tied it and he said it would sinch it down better.

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I've been having the EXACT issue w/ the loop on my Vectrix Plus as well, Jeff. I just ordered, Sunday, 2 packs of BCY material from her myself, hoping it would solve the issue. Sounds like it's going to.

I'm really beginning to NOT be a fan of that camo braided crap......[:@]

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Exactly mobow,

All one needs to do is go to the archery classifieds section of our forums and order the BCY Loop material from redhdcharm, here's the link, she's a first class lady with a first class product. I ordered from her and am about to again just to have some more on hand. Here's the link: http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2471478

And Jeff, I won't say it. ;) [8D]

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I even had issues on my slow old Ally.. [&o]Played heck getting it tight enough!


Jeff why don't you just cut your losses on that bow and make me a deal! :D

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Told you so?

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Didnt you know?? Im Jeffs "old bow" beneficiary. :D

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I've used BCY on loops I tie for guys for years because of problems with the others. Me, I don't use a loop;)

Dan

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Rob:

You and I are friends....but that won't stop (never has) me from having a dissenting view on things. MY issue back when I first started having trouble with my loops was....."IF" it's a problem.....and Bowtech knows it......WHY don't they send out a memo to their dealers and just maybe it would have saved me $15 worth of loops; several gallons of gas...and a truckload of heartache.

So....if Ya'll wanna say "I told you so". Fine. How about telling all the bowtech dealers.:eek:

And I have no idea who the person is in the classifieds.....but she sure gets a lot of "air" time from some of you guys. I ordered mine from Lancaster and got it in 2 days. I think it was less than $1/foot. How much can you beat that by???[8D]

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Doesn't sound like a Bowtech problem to me. It sounds like faulty D-Loop material problems. Lots of choices, BCY is the best!;)

Dan

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Then why defend it? I was more than willing to let it go as a "friendly reminder", but we'll keep discussing it if you'd like.

Do you think the string suppressor (where it's located.....the mere fact that it's on there) has anything to do with compounding the "issue"? It makes sense, to me....that it might spin when it hits that stop going the speed it's going.

By all means....let's keep thisat the forefront.:eek: I love the bow. Hate the "issue".

If BCY material is the (only) solution....don't you think you owe it to the dealers and your customers to at least tell them?

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I agree with GMMAT, if it happens on ALL 82nds, why not let the public (buyers) know?

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Because it doesn't happen on all 82nds. I set up three before leaving Sportsman's and used the camo d-loop material we were provided by the store. Zero had the issue he's describing.

I'm not trying to downplay your issue at all, Jeff. It would suck to have to deal with it, but it isn't a Bowtech specific issue. A d-loop can spin on any bow, not just the 82nds or Bowtechs in particular and it doesn't do it with all of them.

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Dan:

How long after you set them up did you leave? I didn't have any issues with mine until I shot it a bunch.

OK....I've only owned 6 bows. Of those 6......I've had to replace a string loop on ......none of them. This is the fifth one on THIS bow. My Ally had thousands of shots through it. The Switchback....ditto. What's the common denominator? String stop.

If you own one of these bows.....just take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. If you don't......great! No issue (even "potential") for you.

So Dan....you just tie awesome D-loops?:D

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Do any of you guys wax your d-loop material before tying it?? I'm thinking maybe that would hold it more secure?

I wonder what it is about that stuff that won't allow it to cynch down tight enough to keep from spinning.???

I agree, it's not a Bowtech issue at all, and while I understand your point that it would save customers some aggravation, can they really spend the money to prevent folks from using it? And, are there any legal ramifications in doing so?? I honestly don't know, just thinking out loud.

Hey, if the maker of that camo braided crap happens to read this, your stuff STINKS!!!!!

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I honestly can't remember for sure, Jeff. My best guess would be a little over a month. In that time we had one that never left the shelf, our display bow... I can say for surethat I alone shot that bow a couple hundred times from the time we got it and I set it up to when I left...

I don't know if its awesome loops or if maybe we got a better quality camo d-loop material? In any case, unless the issue starts springing up with a good portion of the 82nds on the market, it isn't Bowtech's responsibility to inform its customer base/dealers.

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It is awesome to be a part of greatness. ;)

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I did. I waxed the serving really good before I tied it (loop), too.

I also think (and I've had this thought reinforced by a board member who is a techno head in archery) that the serving material on the 82nds is "slicker" than most. It's almost like monofilament feeling.

How about a simple phone call to the dealers.....if you know how to stop something from happening? Legal?? Howd we ever get to there????????

I'm not claiming Bowtech has an "issue". I'm trying to find out IF they have an issue.

I have absolutely no idea what that's supposed to mean.

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Ah Heck Let's argue about whether to pick a Spot or Shoot by the Force[8D]

Dan

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It was interesting Pat already had an "idea" about this, though....huh?

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I think thats the key. Undoubtedly the BCY is probably the best, but I use some camo loop material made by Allen and its not thick. Actually it feels like BCY, don't think it is though but it works great for me with no spinning and its awesomely durable.

On another note Jeff, its pretty neat to tie on your own string loop isn't it?:)

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It actually is. I tied my D-loop on myself, Friday evening.....and fletched some arrows for a 3D shoot on Sunday.

I JUST heard I won my class. :)

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That's great news, congrats Jeff and the more self proficient you become, the more rewarding it's going to be.

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I would recommend not waxing the loop and especially not waxing your serving prior to tieing a loop.

It works almost like lubrication having a waxed loop on top of a waxed string........ Just this guys opinion though.


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x2 Wax is very much a lubricant.

Dan

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I always used the camo allen loop material and I've never had an issue with the loop spinning. Zero problems so far with the cheap Allen loop material in two years of using it.

Then again, my bow isn't as fast as your 82nd.

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I've also used string wax (at the advice of a well respected board member who does so on many bow related items) as a means of making sure a screw-in item doesn't work itself loose.

I also read the D-loop waxing advice on another site. If it's poor advice.....there's a lot of people out there giving it.

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Go try it out mythbusters style.... On one of your bows wax the serving and wax up a loop and tie it on. Also, tie on a loop with no wax on top of clean serving. Spin them by hand.... Get back with me afterwards.

Heck if you can add in a nice hot sunny NC day and let me know what happens to the wax ;)

All I am saying isthat I have read a lot of what in my opinion isbad advice here over the years. That's why they are called opinions, not facts.....

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I never claimed it was "fact" Scott. I only stated that I did so at the advice of a well-respected board member who is constantly tinkering with bows (and works in the industry). I'd never do anything like that without getting advice to do so. So far....so good (on several accounts).

Gotta do what works......for you. It's working, for me.

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You read to deep there.... That was a tongue in cheek comment about "facts":D

You seem awfully full of piss and vinegar today reading your posts;)(again, tongue in cheeck comment, sorta [8D].)

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Are you guys talking about after the shot the Loop will not be in the same position as when you started? Ends up facing away from you and you have to turn it back around?
This past year this is the first time I had this type of issue and when I go in for my tune up I am going to ask for this BCY material. Thanks.

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I swear....I'm a Bowtech guy through and through....but lest not thou speaketh in detriment!....lol

I get pissed when I try to give a simple piece of advice and it gets misconstrued. If you have an 82nd....and you're having an issue (like the one I had).....either take heed or don't. No skin off my back. If you don't have one.....you really don't have a dog in the fight then, do ya?

Piss and vinegar? I suppose[&:]:D

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I'm always willing to try something new but I'm not messing with something that gives zero problems. That's where 40 years in archery helps. I've learned a lot of things in the school of hard knocks.

Dan

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To think that wax is not a lubricant is ,well, ??????????????????
WAX=LUBRICANT
SAND=ABRASIVE
see, it's simple!!!:eek: If you put WAX on your loop, your lubricating it.....Now jeff, dont try to put one on with sand!!!!

And one more thing, it's not at all bowtech's fault that you used the cheep d-loop string, with wax or not...... I cant belive this is even a post!!

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Guys...."I" didn't use anything. You're making this WAY too much about ME.

I had 4 different d-loops tied onto my bow at 4 different places.....and they ALL failed. Now I have to assume that these shops/techs don't just all do ****ty work.

So.....what's the common denominator? That's what I tried to figure out. Why in the world would I talk down a Company that I've bought FOUR bows from in a little over a year? Is it possible the string stop is causing this? If so.....wouldn't it be a good idea to let people know? Why does the loop material work on all the other bows the shops I went to tied them on?

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If it starts to happen frequently to other 82nd owners, yes.

Until then, no.

Just my opinion.

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So people told you, multiple times,after the first one, try BCY. no dice.
Now after your 5th one, you sign in with this epiphamy of using BCY.:D:eek:

I don't see how this could possibly be pinned on Bowtech.

Its like me complaining to GM that the new belt I bought at AutoZone is squeakin. Should GM now send out a memo to all dealers nationwide, advising them to warn all futurecustomers to not use AutoZone belts? If you could possibly think yes to this question, then where would the list stop?

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I hear that! Holy .... It's a freaking string loop for God's sake. How much misery can one get from a string loop?