RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Let's at least get the facts straight. I had at least 3 of those tied on before I thought enough to ask what people thought the problem was.

And you're reinforcing what I've been saying all along. If BCY is the only thing that'll hold.....then it might be a good idea to let dealers know this.

And if your D-loop spinning don't bother you......more power to ya. I shoot my bow a LOT (every day), though....and I can't stand it. I'm also shooting pretty light arrows (327gr). Did this add toMY issue? Don't know.

I can tell you....if it was happening to your new setup.....you'd have been upset.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Haven't read all of the replies, but this seems logical enough to me. Can't really understand why you would have a loop spinning on a new string unless both ends were tied off on the same side of the string (I assume you didn't). My loop is now twisted badly and my peep won't stay aligned but that's because my string is shot. On a brand new bow with a new string, don't see why it would happen, and yes a rotating loop is extremely annoying. Are there other 82nd owners out there with this same issue?

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Did you ever try... or is there a possible way to tie the serving in with your d-loop? Make any since? i have my nocking point serving and then another serving just above my d-loop knot.If you could tie them inwith the d-loopknoti wonder if it wouldve solve the problem.I know your problem is hopefully solved now, but just curious if you would have if it would have changed anything.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

People, people, like was reiterated by others, mobow, (thank you) had an issue on a Hoyt, I've seen it on others as well including a Hoyt and a Mathews and I did have it on an 82nd as well as my General and that's why I ordered BCY from redhdcharm with the link I provided.

Perhaps the stop is harder on loops HOWEVER, it's not an 82nd issue....geesh. Jeff offers up a suggestion, a good one at that and people rant and rave.

AS per others, the camo loop material is died differently than colored ones per redhdcharm when I made mention I cannot get the camo one tight enough to prevent spining and obviously others are seeing the same thing.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Well my take on this is that (obviously) there HAS to be something causing the problem. I figure it's either one of two options....1. Poor installation or 2. serving issue (type of serving used).

Let's look at #1. Is it possible Jeff got 5 incompetent Pro Shop owners/ employees to install his string loop only to have him do is successfully himself on his first try? Possible, but highly improbable so #1 I feel is out of the question. I find it hard to believe that many Pro Shop owners/employees got it wrong.

Now #2. Could it be the serving that's on the 82nd is causing issues with the loop cinching down? I think this is probably the culprit. I say this because a lot of people (including myself) use different types of loop material day in and day out without a problem. I happen to like the braided camo loop material sold by Allen. I think it's grade "A" stuff. It's thick and holds it's shape perfect, it's sturdy and it cinches down and sticks to the string like a leach between your toes!

I believe someone (maybe Jeff) has said the the new BowTech uses a different material for their serving on the 82nd, is this true? If it's slicker that other "normal" serving material then the culprit seems pretty exposed.

Would BCY work well on my bow? Probably, but it's obviously not the only material that works well so it seems (to me at least) to be the serving that is the issue and not the loop material or installation.....dosen't it?

Here is what I use.....Allen loop materials, works GREAT!

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

May I get an answer from page 3 please? Honest question.

Thanks.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Tony you don't have a post on page 3....lol[8D]

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

This one Tony from page 4?

Exactly. After the shot, the loop will spin around the string so in the next shot it will not align the peep at full draw.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Jeff thx for the heads up, I am putting a loop on my bow for the first time. I ordered some BCY loop stuff.

Us Northen guys let you southern guys figure it out, and then we do it.

BTW I have a list of things for you to try:D, and i found a LH whammey on ebay[&:]

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

lol page 4
I am still a bit shakin up from the favre announcement but it was expected. *My excuse anyways*

Thanks Rob

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Tie a catfish loop lol


But back to the wax, the theory is to wax the string so there will be less friction and you can clinch the knot tighter. So there's the tradeoff. A little lube but a little tighter. I guess the jury's out IMO.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

good advice...

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Just reading casually over on AT, Jeff is not alone on this one guys...

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showth...19#post6431119

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Nope....Jeff's just a dumbass!

(:eek::D)

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Well that and he had an issue with a string loop on his 82nd. [8D] ;)

I admittedly had the same trouble, I just believed me when I said to use BCY. [8D] I kid I kid.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

LMAO.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Jeff ,if thats the strength of your argument, your in some deep trouble around here.;)

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

But with the evidence of AT people having the same problem.... does that convince anyone that it wouldnt kill Bowtech to make a few calls, send a few e-mails, Recommending the use of BCY loop material on there bows now?

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Admitting is the first step...lol, jk.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Not really. That thread makes a grand total of less than 10 people. It's not Bowtechs responsibility to ensure you use quality accessories on your bows.Theyhave a responsibility of delivering a quality bow, which Jeff has said 100 times that they did. It can and does happen to all bow companies, not just the Airborne 82nds.

Again, how is it different than my truck scenario?

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

I honestly wish I was the only one.....but I kinda figured I wasn't. Some really knowledgeable guys worked on my bow.....and "my" opinion is.....it's a combination of4 things:

1. "Slick" serving material
2. String suppressor
3. Loop Material choice
4. Shooting really light arrows (maybe)

But....we'll see......

This bow will see way fewer arrows shot through it from now on. Another thing that'll probably help with the issue.

Obviously.....it can be fixed with the right loop material (so far). Kinda would be nice to know up front though, huh? I'm sure these 4 other shops aren't thinking they are utilizing inferior "accessories".

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

You are right, those shops don't purposely use a product that won't work...but they did none the less. How do these two scenarios differ?

Either way, your advice on BCY seems to be very sound advice. No difference in price, and not one negative complaint on it that I am aware of.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

T: I don't know.....maybe just tell their customers that they "Suggest" NAPA belts????
Now I'm not blasting Bowtech at all. I'll soon be the owner of three of 'em.;)

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

hahaha....I love it!!!!!!!!

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Only Jeff can have a 7+ page thread about loops:D He is just trying to help some guys out, he did not complain, he's not whining.
He is simple saying I tried product X it did not work for this bow, but product Z did and letting us know.

Is it really that complicated? Hell I have been hunting for 24 years now and NEVER used a loop. I would have no idea either what to do, if it was not for you guys.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

It's more fun to make fun of someone, Gary.;)

I'm so mad at Bowtech.....I ordered another one from them, last Tuesday.:)

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

How long did you make your loop, 1/2''?

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

My question is are you setting the loop up so that it is straight back before you start drawing or are you trying to turn the string with the loop to get the peep to align?


I set mine up so that my loop is straight and the peep is almost straight and my loop will twist if I try to by hand but since everything is pulling in a straight line,I don't have issues with it turning on me.I also don't tie a loop over and under,mine is below the nock.


BUT,I agree,I have used the bcy and it does not move once tied.


Like this

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Germ,

I like to tie mine as short as possible. I just want enough room to get my release on, like this...........

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

doesnt that defeat the idea of a string loop? (that is eliminating nock pinch)

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Mine is long for my bt release and anchors to hit properly.

I have been known to adjust my draw length and/or loop to get whatever release I am using at the time to fit correctly.

I have had them so short you couldn't hardly get a caliper release in it but my short & sweet would slip right in.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Not at all.The release will not be pushing up against the arrow,which is where the pinch comes from.There is still no serving wear.I can adjust it for my draw length/release preferences and I get valuable down pressure to ensure a constant pressure down instead of worrying about the arrow wanting to float on the rest.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Have you tried re-serving the string? If this did not help, you could eliminate slippery serving material as a cause.

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

Believe me....this will be the next thing that happens if the BCY doesn't solve the problem. I have confidence it's "over"!:D

RE: D-Loop Advice for 82nd Airborne owners
 

First off, I recognize that I'm new to this forum. Enough said on that.
Second, I don't own an 82nd Airborne, but I do own a Marquis and I think it's similar enough to apply here, because
Third, I had this same problem with the Marquis --- my loop would "dance" around the string every couple of shots. Not always, but enough to be extremely aggrivating.
I solved the problem by putting a dab of BARGE cement on the knots and made sure it got down to the string by using a toothpick to force it down in there. I like BARGE because it's "semi permanent" and doubt that it will weaken the material.
Fourth, it's my opinion (after some thoughtful study) that this problem, and some others, are brought about by the Bowtech "Short Stop" and it's very close proximity to the nocking point. High amount of energy brought to a crashing halt = transmission of that energy to anything available, such as immediately within the string, beginning at the point of abrupt stop and then working outward from there. The first add-on that it's going to encounter is the D-loop and/or nock point, and the energy will go where it wants to go and exploit anything it can in order to dissipate itself. I figure a D-loop is no different than a string silencer, in that regard - and happens to be the closest one to the point of impact. So it vibrates and dances.
Fifth, I "get" the concept of the SS's location, from a pure physics standpoint it makes sense - but whether or not all of the downside considerations were weighed before putting the product to market - who knows. As far as I know or understand, this is a "brand new" idea for Bowtech, and I'll allow that there's a learning process involved that has to extend beyond the factory and a few test markets, that the more exposure their products get the more different, uncontrolled experiences that will be encountered and there will be complaints and criticisms. That's just a part of manufacturing and product development, and I "get" that, too.

I guess what will remain to be seen is whether or not Bowtech is listening, hearing and understanding - and will take appropriate steps such as releasing a series of "white papers" to their regional reps and dealers. I think there are a lot of similar concerns which are arising as more and more of their new product line gets in the hands of their customers. In my opinion, they should have a forum on their website where concerns can be raised, and solutions shared.