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PT - thank you - discussions go much further when kept civil.
Little Chief pretty much mirrored my thoughts. While situattional ethics could be applied (with a healthy stretch) to driving 1 mile over, it still does not factor in stepping on others rights. I drive 40,000 miles a year - practically all within + or - the limit 10%. I will however never cut someone off intentionally, be the last one to merge, fail to yeild the right of way or anything else I could do that would put my self at a slight advantage while disrespecting other. These type of driving actions I would consider more like the situation 2 tresspass above - which to me, is willfull disrespect of others. Not the way I wish to be treated so I try hard to avoid treating others that way. |
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ORIGINAL: SteveBNy PT - thank you - discussions go much further when kept civil. Little Chief pretty much mirrored my thoughts. While situattional ethics could be applied (with a healthy stretch) to driving 1 mile over, it still does not factor in stepping on others rights. I drive 40,000 miles a year - practically all within + or - the limit 10%. I will however never cut someone off intentionally, be the last one to merge, fail to yeild the right of way or anything else I could do that would put my self at a slight advantage while disrespecting other. These type of driving actions I would consider more like the situation 2 tresspass above - which to me, is willfull disrespect of others. Not the way I wish to be treated so I try hard to avoid treating others that way. But when you break the laws, it effects everyone. BTW here is the USA is one few countries who think this way. In other countries they are just guidelines. Speeders suck up more fuel, which cost me more at the pump:D Speeders have more accidents which raise my insurance rates[:-] damn speeders:D |
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ORIGINAL: brucelanthier ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: SteveBNy I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know. Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with. If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine. Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them. Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them. The only time I go 1 mile over the speed limit is when I'm accelerating to a higher-priced ticket bracket.:D I'm sure this point has been made before. I see it's application to "ethics", but in this case, it "sorta" doesn't fit. If I choose to run 75 mph in a 65 mph zone, yes, I'm breaking the law. That part is simple. I'm not, however, infringing on the rights of anyone else when Iblow bythem, am I? There is a big difference in actively trying to stay within legal boundaries (you try to stay the speed limit but drift over by a couple ofMPH)and knowingly ignoring the speed limit (racing your buddy at speeds over 100MPH). BTW .... it's easy to be Mr Super Ethics Man when your protecting your own interest ........ |
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ORIGINAL: SteveBNy PT - thank you - discussions go much further when kept civil. Little Chief pretty much mirrored my thoughts. Just playin LC [:-] |
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1. No.Since I hate people hunting my border I sure wouldnt do it to them.
2. Yes,If I thought even for a sec that He may not give me my deer,Im going after it.Is it right ,no,But we got to do what we got to do. Kinda sad.And yes I have been down this path. |
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ORIGINAL: SteveBNy PT - thank you - discussions go much further when kept civil. Little Chief pretty much mirrored my thoughts. While situattional ethics could be applied (with a healthy stretch) to driving 1 mile over, it still does not factor in stepping on others rights. I drive 40,000 miles a year - practically all within + or - the limit 10%. I will however never cut someone off intentionally, be the last one to merge, fail to yeild the right of way or anything else I could do that would put my self at a slight advantage while disrespecting other. These type of driving actions I would consider more like the situation 2 tresspass above - which to me, is willfull disrespect of others. Not the way I wish to be treated so I try hard to avoid treating others that way. |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony BTW .... it's easy to be Mr Super Ethics Man when your protecting your own interest ........ |
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ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr ORIGINAL: SteveBNy PT - thank you - discussions go much further when kept civil. Little Chief pretty much mirrored my thoughts. While situattional ethics could be applied (with a healthy stretch) to driving 1 mile over, it still does not factor in stepping on others rights. I drive 40,000 miles a year - practically all within + or - the limit 10%. I will however never cut someone off intentionally, be the last one to merge, fail to yeild the right of way or anything else I could do that would put my self at a slight advantage while disrespecting other. These type of driving actions I would consider more like the situation 2 tresspass above - which to me, is willfull disrespect of others. Not the way I wish to be treated so I try hard to avoid treating others that way. |
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ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter Huh... Who knew that by tresspassing on someone's property to retrive an animal we shot on our property we'd be tearing down the very foundation of our society. GD guys, some of y'all make me laugh. Seriosuly? Is it that heinous of a crime? This year, if I shoot a booner and he happens to hop my neighbor's fence I'll just let him rot. I'll be sure to post that I can see the buck ten feet away, but because I don't want to take part in the destruction of the fabric of our society, I'm just going to let the coyotes have at him. Yup, killing that deer and letting him rot will be ok on my conscience. At least I'll lay my head down at night knowing that I honored my neighbor's wishes by not stepping foot onto his side of the fence. Give me a break. :eek: I shoot a buck (or doe)I'm damn well going to get him. 'Nuff said. In this country as free citizens we have CIVIL RIGHTS and for you (and others) to so blatantly cast aside those rights just so YOU can pursue a PASTIME and RECREATIONAL activity is beyond comprehension. What gives YOU the right to go against someone else's will?? A deer? Give me a break! If they don't want you on their land they don't want you on their land...not one yard, not one foot, not one inch. It doesn't matterWHY and it certainly doesn't come with special caveats for YOU to use simply because your hunting! This is the future of hunting you want to pass on? Jump a fence because your deer is only a few feet on the other side? No the anti's won't have a field day with that.:eek: Not only can they try to paint us as mindless killers but they can add law breakers to the list too.[:'(] No trespassing means NO TRESPASSING, it's as clear cut as it gets. The bottom line is if my deer crosses a property line that I don't alreadyhave permission to access, I'm going to seek permission. If I'm denied, I'm going to go through the PROPER CHANNELS until all means have been exhausted. If at the end of the day I still couldn't retrieve my deer SO BE IT. It's just a deer, yeah I said it....IT'S JUST A DEER! I applaud the few who have the stones to step up and say what's RIGHT even though it goes against the majority....someone has to do it. ....."All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke ....."In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain |
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1. Was in the situation this year and did not take the shot the buck would have been my biggest archery deer to date.
2. Yes I would take a few steps over the fence to drag a deer over to my side. If you were carrying 5-$100 billis in your pocket walking your fence line you reach in your pocket to anwseryourcellphone and yourcash falls out and blows across the fence on a windy day, you going to go ask your neighbor to cross the fence or you going to jump the fence and grab your money quick? I'm guessing most here would jump the fence quick. I have to say if you are that worried about someone crossing your fence 10yds and dragging a deer back to their side of the fenceI really feel sorry for you.OH MY GODa 8 year old kid came on my yard and grabbed his football that rolled onto it I'm going to press charges I feel so violated.  |
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ORIGINAL: WakeCow 1. Was in the situation this year and did not take the shot the buck would have been my biggest archery deer to date. 2. Yes I would take a few steps over the fence to drag a deer over to my side. If you were carrying 5-$100 billis in your pocket walking your fence line you reach in your pocket to anwseryourcellphone and yourcash falls out and blows across the fence on a windy day, you going to go ask your neighbor to cross the fence or you going to jump the fence and grab your money quick? I'm guessing most here would jump the fence quick. I have to say if you are that worried about someone crossing your fence 10yds and dragging a deer back to their side of the fenceI really feel sorry for you.OH MY GODa 8 year old kid came on my yard and grabbed his football that rolled onto it I'm going to press charges I feel so violated.
I'm not saying it's ok to act like a land Nazi, I know a few and can't stand them. I don't go on their property either.;)I would never deny access to a hunter who wants to recover their deer, hell I'd help em get it! Our neighbors are the same way and we all have permission to access the lands around our property. It's been like that for years and I suspect will continue for years to come. That's what being a good person and neighbor is all about. As a kid, I've alsoknown people who would not let anyone on their property... not even to get a ball that ended up their. I never likes those types and never will. But none of that matters, it's their right to be an "A" hole if they want and while you don't have to like it, you sure as hell should obey it......or you're no better than them. Two wrongs don't make a right. |
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I have been reading along as this post has been played out and it seems like my thoughts and actions would mirror the majority of folks here.This indignation about property rights is way extreme in my opinion,there is a certain common sense and practicality that should be applied to these situations.
As it relates to how I would do things,first I would not set up on a property line of a known hunter or family of hunters,there are exceptions to this.I am going to hunt where the deer are and where they travel,if a neighboring property owner has done things to effect the movement of deer,I am going to hunt on the property I have permission to hunt in the most advantageous way that I possibly can.A land owner may own the land but they do not own the deer! In my state if the land was unimproved and unposted I would shoot a deer on either side of the line as I am within the law to do so.If posted I wouldn't.To recover an animal I would cross unposted or posted land to retrieve it.My wife and I own several acres that our home sits on and I have assisted other hunters in finding deer on our unposted property,I couldn't imagine given them a hard time.I have notified them that I am a hunter and would appreciate them not hunting on our property because of it not being big enough for multiple people to hunt. What ever happened to being neighborly and unselfish? I will not hunt an area if I know it is being hunted by someone else,provided they were there prior to me.I don't give it another thought,I back right out.It is all about common sense and decency.The majority of the rifle hunting I do at home is up high in the mountains,there is a friend who is a large landowner whose property I could hunt on but don't because he and his son are hunters.If I walked down off the mountain to his home to ask permission to recover a deer or bear on his property he would think I was nut's.He understands it is not a necessary thing to do among decent people.I would tell him about it later on. I have people that walk their dog's through our field and cross country ski through our field that I don't know,do I run out and tell these people that they should have asked me for permission and I am going to call the police,jeez noI don't,they are just enjoying the outdoors and they aren't doing any harm. There is a sensibility that needs to be applied to these situations! I do find the holier than though stuff amusing,I am willing to bet even among the most righteous it would be do as I say not as I do! |
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My inlaws have no tresspassing signs all over their land. Thank god that civil rights breaking passer by guytresspassed to tell them to get out their house caught fire;) true story
IT'S JUST A DEER I have seen guys lambasted on this sight for not looking long enough for a wonded deer, I'd love to see the reponse if a person stated this IT'S JUST A DEER. I recall a few guys who were going to give up hunting because they were having issues. BigJ I do agree with you 100%, but I am just being honest andI am aland owner. Is it right to let a deer rot? Who trumps who? In some states it'sthe land owner, in some it's the hunter[&:] BTW what is your thoughts on the eniment domain rulings in the lastyear? |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter Huh... Who knew that by tresspassing on someone's property to retrive an animal we shot on our property we'd be tearing down the very foundation of our society. GD guys, some of y'all make me laugh. Seriosuly? Is it that heinous of a crime? This year, if I shoot a booner and he happens to hop my neighbor's fence I'll just let him rot. I'll be sure to post that I can see the buck ten feet away, but because I don't want to take part in the destruction of the fabric of our society, I'm just going to let the coyotes have at him. Yup, killing that deer and letting him rot will be ok on my conscience. At least I'll lay my head down at night knowing that I honored my neighbor's wishes by not stepping foot onto his side of the fence. Give me a break. :eek: I shoot a buck (or doe)I'm damn well going to get him. 'Nuff said. In this country as free citizens we have CIVIL RIGHTS and for you (and others) to so blatantly cast aside those rights just so YOU can pursue a PASTIME and RECREATIONAL activity is beyond comprehension. What gives YOU the right to go against someone else's will?? A deer? Give me a break! If they don't want you on their land they don't want you on their land...not one yard, not one foot, not one inch. It doesn't matterWHY and it certainly doesn't come with special caveats for YOU to use simply because your hunting! This is the future of hunting you want to pass on? Jump a fence because your deer is only a few feet on the other side? No the anti's won't have a field day with that.:eek: Not only can they try to paint us as mindless killers but they can add law breakers to the list too.[:'(] No trespassing means NO TRESPASSING, it's as clear cut as it gets. The bottom line is if my deer crosses a property line that I don't alreadyhave permission to access, I'm going to seek permission. If I'm denied, I'm going to go through the PROPER CHANNELS until all means have been exhausted. If at the end of the day I still couldn't retrieve my deer SO BE IT. It's just a deer, yeah I said it....IT'S JUST A DEER! I applaud the few who have the stones to step up and say what's RIGHT even though it goes against the majority....someone has to do it. ....."All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke ....."In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain Yeah, I've got family who served. I've got friends in all branches of the military serving in Iraq at the moment. Most of them hunt. I'd be willing to bet every one of them would be just as quick to get their deer. Call me a communist hell bent on tearing down America as we know it, but I'd get my deer. I hope you never go a mile an hour over the speed limit. Those spped limits are the LIMIT. No higher, Big. I hope you never jay walk. Those crosswalks are the ONLY place to cross, Big. Give me a break. You're hilarious. :D |
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ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr [/quote] Do you own ground? A house? Is it ok if I walk in your house to get a drink of water? I promise to only do it when you aren't home and don't know about it. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ I have seen guys lambasted on this sight for not looking long enough for a wonded deer, I'd love to see the reponse if a person stated this IT'S JUST A DEER. I recall a few guys who were going to give up hunting because they were having issues. BigJ I do agree with you 100%, but I am just being honest andI am aland owner. Is it right to let a deer rot? Who trumps who? In some states it'sthe land owner, in some it's the hunter[&:] BTW what is your thoughts on the eniment domain rulings in the lastyear? Now in some states as I understand it, you can legally retrieve your deer, in those cases there's no problem. If the land owners feel their civil rights are being violated they can take it up with their state reps and try to get the laws changed. If it's the other way around (like in Illinois) and the hunters feel violated THEY should take it up with their state reps and try to do something about it LEGALLY. That's what this country is all about all isn't it? Democracy and all? Is it right to let a deer rot? Absolutely not, you should try all means possible short of breaking the law to retrieve the animal...what more can you expect out of an ethical hunter. Ethical hunting doesn't stop at the shot. I don't like eniment domain rulings...never have. To me it's a sign of a government that has gotten to big. I'm a constitutionalist at heart Germ. |
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The only person being selfish in this instance is the hunter. He is the one putting himself in a possible compromising position by hunting close to a boundary he already knows he can't cross.
And for what? A DEER? I said it WAYyyyy back when. It's JUST A DEER. They are everywhere. Hunt them where you have no issues retrieveing them without breaking the law. Is a deer worth you having a criminal record? Think about that. |
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He is the one putting himself in a possible compromising position by hunting close to a boundary he already knows he can't cross. |
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I look at this like a kid going into a neighbors yard to get his ball back, it's a victimless crime. Better then putting a fence up so they can't cross over the property line too.;)
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Germ I have seen guys lambasted on this sight for not looking long enough for a wonded deer, I'd love to see the reponse if a person stated this IT'S JUST A DEER. I recall a few guys who were going to give up hunting because they were having issues. BigJ I do agree with you 100%, but I am just being honest andI am aland owner. Is it right to let a deer rot? Who trumps who? In some states it'sthe land owner, in some it's the hunter[&:] BTW what is your thoughts on the eniment domain rulings in the lastyear? Now in some states as I understand it, you can legally retrieve your deer, in those cases there's no problem. If the land owners feel their civil rights are being violated they can take it up with their state reps and try to get the laws changed. If it's the other way around (like in Illinois) and the hunters feel violated THEY should take it up with their state reps and try to do something about it LEGALLY. That's what this country is all about all isn't it? Democracy and all? Is it right to let a deer rot? Absolutely not, you should try all means possible short of breaking the law to retrieve the animal...what more can you expect out of an ethical hunter. Ethical hunting doesn't stop at the shot. I don't like eniment domain rulings...never have. To me it's a sign of a government that has gotten to big. I'm a constitutionalist at heart Germ. ButtonBuckMaster makes a strong point and I have used his logic before. Maybe I need to rethink. |
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ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter You really make me laugh, Big. Yeah, I've got family who served. I've got friends in all branches of the military serving in Iraq at the moment. Most of them hunt. I'd be willing to bet every one of them would be just as quick to get their deer. Call me a communist hell bent on tearing down America as we know it, but I'd get my deer. I hope you never go a mile an hour over the speed limit. Those spped limits are the LIMIT. No higher, Big. I hope you never jay walk. Those crosswalks are the ONLY place to cross, Big. Give me a break. You're hilarious. :D Is that what you want to portray?? Is that how you want someone else to treat YOUR wishes? More importantly, do you think so little of another person or theircivil rightsor personaldesires that your willing tocast them aside and trespass simply because you need to "get your deer". If someone doesn't want you on their property it shouldn't matter why. You (and everyone else) should RESPECT that wish. What's wrong with people these days? Have we lost all sense of common decencyin our lust for personal gain? |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter You really make me laugh, Big. Yeah, I've got family who served. I've got friends in all branches of the military serving in Iraq at the moment. Most of them hunt. I'd be willing to bet every one of them would be just as quick to get their deer. Call me a communist hell bent on tearing down America as we know it, but I'd get my deer. I hope you never go a mile an hour over the speed limit. Those spped limits are the LIMIT. No higher, Big. I hope you never jay walk. Those crosswalks are the ONLY place to cross, Big. Give me a break. You're hilarious. :D Is that what you want to portray?? Is that how you want someone else to treat YOUR wishes? More importantly, do you think so little of another person or theircivil rightsor personaldesires that your willing tocast them aside and trespass simply because you need to "get your deer". If someone doesn't want you on their property it shouldn't matter why. You (and everyone else) should RESPECT that wish. What's wrong with people these days? Have we lost all sense of common decencyin our lust for personal gain? Yes, I do find it funny, Big. Hilarious, actually. You're older and wiser so obviously I'm absolutely wrong in my opinion. ;)I knew the "age" thing would come out, way to be awesome. Good on ya. Fortunately, as I mentioned earlier, I live in a free chase state. I can, and will, go onto my neighbor's property regaredless of whether he gives me permission. It's perfectly legal here. If it weren't I'd still do it. But honestly, I'm sick of arguing with you. Have an awesome day. I'm going to go be a horrible youth now. |
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ORIGINAL: buttonbuckmaster Do you own ground? A house? Is it ok if I walk in your house to get a drink of water? I promise to only do it when you aren't home and don't know about it. No harm no foul right?.......Please.:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: buttonbuckmaster Do you own ground? A house? Is it ok if I walk in your house to get a drink of water? I promise to only do it when you aren't home and don't know about it. No harm no foul right?.......Please.:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter You really make me laugh, Big. Yeah, I've got family who served. I've got friends in all branches of the military serving in Iraq at the moment. Most of them hunt. I'd be willing to bet every one of them would be just as quick to get their deer. Call me a communist hell bent on tearing down America as we know it, but I'd get my deer. I hope you never go a mile an hour over the speed limit. Those spped limits are the LIMIT. No higher, Big. I hope you never jay walk. Those crosswalks are the ONLY place to cross, Big. Give me a break. You're hilarious. :D Is that what you want to portray?? Is that how you want someone else to treat YOUR wishes? More importantly, do you think so little of another person or theircivil rightsor personaldesires that your willing tocast them aside and trespass simply because you need to "get your deer". If someone doesn't want you on their property it shouldn't matter why. You (and everyone else) should RESPECT that wish. What's wrong with people these days? Have we lost all sense of common decencyin our lust for personal gain? Yes, I do find it funny, Big. Hilarious, actually. You're older and wiser so obviously I'm absolutely wrong in my opinion. ;)I knew the "age" thing would come out, way to be awesome. Good on ya. Fortunately, as I mentioned earlier, I live in a free chase state. I can, and will, go onto my neighbor's property regaredless of whether he gives me permission. It's perfectly legal here. If it weren't I'd still do it. But honestly, I'm sick of arguing with you. Have an awesome day. I'm going to go be a horrible youth now. I made no mention of your work ethic, your respect (or lack of) for your elders, nor did I mention your scholastics, home life or any otherpersonal attribute other than your selfish desire to put your hunting above another's personal rights. YOU brought it there in an attempt to mask and create a smoke screen from the truth. I suspect anyone with a grade school education can and will see though your masquerade. You have said NOTHING that would even remotely lead me to change my mind about the the subject at hand, in fact you only bolstered it. |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter You really make me laugh, Big. Yeah, I've got family who served. I've got friends in all branches of the military serving in Iraq at the moment. Most of them hunt. I'd be willing to bet every one of them would be just as quick to get their deer. Call me a communist hell bent on tearing down America as we know it, but I'd get my deer. I hope you never go a mile an hour over the speed limit. Those spped limits are the LIMIT. No higher, Big. I hope you never jay walk. Those crosswalks are the ONLY place to cross, Big. Give me a break. You're hilarious. :D Is that what you want to portray?? Is that how you want someone else to treat YOUR wishes? More importantly, do you think so little of another person or theircivil rightsor personaldesires that your willing tocast them aside and trespass simply because you need to "get your deer". If someone doesn't want you on their property it shouldn't matter why. You (and everyone else) should RESPECT that wish. What's wrong with people these days? Have we lost all sense of common decencyin our lust for personal gain? Yes, I do find it funny, Big. Hilarious, actually. You're older and wiser so obviously I'm absolutely wrong in my opinion. ;)I knew the "age" thing would come out, way to be awesome. Good on ya. Fortunately, as I mentioned earlier, I live in a free chase state. I can, and will, go onto my neighbor's property regaredless of whether he gives me permission. It's perfectly legal here. If it weren't I'd still do it. But honestly, I'm sick of arguing with you. Have an awesome day. I'm going to go be a horrible youth now. I made no mention of your work ethic, your respect (or lack of) for your elders, nor did I mention your scholastics, home life or any otherpersonal attribute other than your selfish desire to put your hunting above another's personal rights. YOU brought it there in an attempt to mask and create a smoke screen from the truth. I suspect anyone with a grade school education can and will see though your masquerade. You have said NOTHING that would even remotely lead me to change my mind about the the subject at hand, in fact you only bolstered it. Yes, I would break the law in order to retrieve my deer if it came down to it. I killed that animal. It deserves to be used not wasted. If my neighboring landowner wants to be a prick and not let me get it, I'll do it when he doesn't know about it. I'll make my opinion clear; I would break the law to get my deer. If that makes me an unethical hunter in your eyes, so be it. Bummer deal. Do I really care? No. That is my opinion and it isn't up for argument. You feel the way you do, I feel the way I do. Leave it at that. :eek: |
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: buttonbuckmaster Do you own ground? A house? Is it ok if I walk in your house to get a drink of water? I promise to only do it when you aren't home and don't know about it. No harm no foul right?.......Please.:eek: No harm no foul right?:eek: |
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If a guy walked on my property and used my hose to get a drink I'd have no problem with it.
This is getting ridiculas,cya. |
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ORIGINAL: Charlie P If a guy walked on my property and used my hose to get a drink I'd have no problem with it. This is getting ridiculas,cya. |
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ORIGINAL: Charlie P If a guy walked on my property and used my hose to get a drink I'd have no problem with it. This is getting ridiculas,cya. |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter You really make me laugh, Big. Yeah, I've got family who served. I've got friends in all branches of the military serving in Iraq at the moment. Most of them hunt. I'd be willing to bet every one of them would be just as quick to get their deer. Call me a communist hell bent on tearing down America as we know it, but I'd get my deer. I hope you never go a mile an hour over the speed limit. Those spped limits are the LIMIT. No higher, Big. I hope you never jay walk. Those crosswalks are the ONLY place to cross, Big. Give me a break. You're hilarious. :D Is that what you want to portray?? Is that how you want someone else to treat YOUR wishes? More importantly, do you think so little of another person or theircivil rightsor personaldesires that your willing tocast them aside and trespass simply because you need to "get your deer". If someone doesn't want you on their property it shouldn't matter why. You (and everyone else) should RESPECT that wish. What's wrong with people these days? Have we lost all sense of common decencyin our lust for personal gain? Big J thanks for trying,many here fail to see this from anything but another hunters eyes. We as hunters are a very small part of America,and our failure to see this through non or anti hunters eyes will be the downfall of our sport. Thanks again for your more than enlighting posts you are a wise man, Jim And always remember " blindest are those whorefuse to see." |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: buttonbuckmaster Do you own ground? A house? Is it ok if I walk in your house to get a drink of water? I promise to only do it when you aren't home and don't know about it. No harm no foul right?.......Please.:eek: No harm no foul right?:eek: Heres a question for you Big, not saying your opinion is wrong because i can see where you are comin from, but a relavent question. Let's say your walking your property lines with your dog, out for some morning exercise. Your dog sees a squirrel and chases it onto your neighbors property, who clearly stated you are NEVER to be on his property. Then your dog gets hurt somehow, say snagged in some barbedwire or stepped in a trap, broke a leg, or simply collapsed from heat exhaustion. Are you telling me you would leave your dog there and not help him out? |
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ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter I don't expect you to change your mind, Big. Which is why I haven't made an attempt to make an argument in favor of my opinion. All I've done is state my opinion and have that opinion torn to pieces by you. Yes, I would break the law in order to retrieve my deer if it came down to it. I killed that animal. It deserves to be used not wasted. If my neighboring landowner wants to be a prick and not let me get it, I'll do it when he doesn't know about it. I'll make my opinion clear; I would break the law to get my deer. If that makes me an unethical hunter in your eyes, so be it. Bummer deal. Do I really care? No. That is my opinion and it isn't up for argument. You feel the way you do, I feel the way I do. Leave it at that. :eek: Your opinion on the matter is one thing, acting on it is quite another. Stating that you would break the law to get your deer (as you so boldly typed it)however,does not speak highly for you or anyone else who agrees with this line of thinking. I can't see how advocating the breaking of laws be ANYTHING but bad for our sport and how others perceive it and us as hunters. Do you really want the non hunting public to think a hunter will willingly trespass on their land for no better reason than to get a deer? Do you think they could care less about your hunting ordeer for that matter? All they see is someone blatantly disregarding their POSTED wishes. If you don't like the laws...do something about it, but for Gods sake don't break them because it suits you at the moment, they (the laws) were put into place for a reason right? |
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ORIGINAL: TEmbry ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: buttonbuckmaster Do you own ground? A house? Is it ok if I walk in your house to get a drink of water? I promise to only do it when you aren't home and don't know about it. No harm no foul right?.......Please.:eek: No harm no foul right?:eek: Heres a question for you Big, not saying your opinion is wrong because i can see where you are comin from, but a relavent question. Let's say your walking your property lines with your dog, out for some morning exercise. Your dog sees a squirrel and chases it onto your neighbors property, who clearly stated you are NEVER to be on his property. Then your dog gets hurt somehow, say snagged in some barbedwire or stepped in a trap, broke a leg, or simply collapsed from heat exhaustion. Are you telling me you would leave your dog there and not help him out? The only reason someone should willingly and purposely trespass is if their life or someone else's is in the threat of death or great bodily harmor if there is some other type of emergency that needs attention. (I can't believe I even have to type this) Helping a hurt dying dog or person or yourself or a house that's burningetc...warrants such action.....retrieving a dead deer does not. Now you answer my question(s)...How is it different if I walk on to your property (on the back side of your farm), or walk into your unlocked front door to get a drink of water? Is it ok for me to do either...who did I hurt? Now before you answer...in both instances NOBODY was home and NOBODY knew I was even there. So who did I hurt in either instance? Must be ok right? |
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Your saying laws are laws,and i agree. butall laws arent equal. breaking and entering is worse than trespassing according to the law.Same as a hit in run is worse than speeding.
I also already typed out a response, saying that i would first call the person then call the game warden. but if it came down to it and the deer was only 10 feet, yesI would get it. I guess I am a hypocrit, because I always preach against trespassers. Another hypothetical question, without an emergency situation this time. Lets say you are huge into RC planes. You finally got one set-up that is top of the line, and it ran you just under $2000. Your out flying it on your land, have the same a-hole neighbor. You either mess up, run out of batteries, get caught in a wind....long story short, your $2k plane goes down 10 feet onto your neighbors land, and your borders aren't even fenced. Still going with the NEVER cross over that imaginary line? Not trying to put down your views, just trying to understand them. Personally, I'd be grabbing my plane quick, fast, and in a hurry.:D |
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John, do you ever go over the speed limit on purpose?
Pass on the right? Not yield when you should? speed up when the light is turning yellow when your in a hurry? these are all breaking the law.... I respect you tremendously John ... I have never even disagreed with you on anything until now... but IMO you are stretchin here ....... |
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ORIGINAL: TEmbry Another hypothetical question, without an emergency situation this time. Lets say you are huge into RC planes. You finally got one set-up that is top of the line, and it ran you just under $2000. Your out flying it on your land, have the same a-hole neighbor. You either mess up, run out of batteries, get caught in a wind....long story short, your $2k plane goes down 10 feet onto your neighbors land, and your borders aren't even fenced. Still going with the NEVER cross over that imaginary line? Not trying to put down your views, just trying to understand them. Personally, I'd be grabbing my plane quick, fast, and in a hurry.:D |
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Charlie while i am getting a drink, can I hose my deer off I drug of your land too |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: TEmbry Another hypothetical question, without an emergency situation this time. Lets say you are huge into RC planes. You finally got one set-up that is top of the line, and it ran you just under $2000. Your out flying it on your land, have the same a-hole neighbor. You either mess up, run out of batteries, get caught in a wind....long story short, your $2k plane goes down 10 feet onto your neighbors land, and your borders aren't even fenced. Still going with the NEVER cross over that imaginary line? Not trying to put down your views, just trying to understand them. Personally, I'd be grabbing my plane quick, fast, and in a hurry.:D I just dont understand, but its ok, that seems to happen alot:D |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony John, do you ever go over the speed limit on purpose? Pass on the right? Not yield when you should? speed up when the light is turning yellow when your in a hurry? these are all breaking the law.... I respect you tremendously John ... I have never even disagreed with you on anything until now... but IMO you are stretchin here ....... However you are equating a few minor infractionswithtrespassing and violating another person DIRECTLY. When someone posts a sign that reads NO TRESPASSINGand you knowingly do yourare violating that single persons right as an American citizen to be safe and secure in their land ordweling...BIG difference than breaking a local ordnance, it's not even close. |
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