Situation Ethics????........2 Part Question .....**UPDATED WITH twils real life situation
 

[align=left]Ok .... let's hear what you think ..... also, has either happened to you?[/align][align=left][/align][align=left][/align][align=left][/align][align=left]Scenario 1.[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]You found a great spot just 30 yards from someone else's property that you DON'T have permission to hunt ..... the biggest buck you have ever seen walks the fence line on HIS property ... he is walking slowly, stopping for 10 seconds at a time ... it is obvious he is just going to follow the fence line away from the property you hunt ..... do you shoot?[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]Scenario 2.[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]You are hunting from the same stand, the previous scenario has not happened, the same buck comes by on the property you are hunting, you drill him at 20 yards ... he runs, jumps the fence, then dies 10 yards on the other property ... again. you have been told that you will be prosecuted if the landowner ever found you on his property ...... do you get the buck? In the area you are hunting, the neighbor is great friends with the CO and there is not a law stating that he has to let you recover your deer.....[/align][align=left][/align]

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Ill be the first to bite,

1. No I don't shoot....besides that, I wouldn't even hang a stand where I would have the temptation.

2. Get the deer, flip it over the fence, and don't tell no one if the guy is that pig of a prick that he would make you leave the deer to rot. It would befar worse to leave a deer laying simply because you are afraid of some guy. Also, if I thought there was eventhe smallest,remote chance to reason with the guy, I would call him first without a doubt....IDK why, but I believe VERY few people would not allow you to cross the fence for 10 yards, especially if you had a blood trail proving it was killed on your property.

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#1. I wouldn't take the shot. i would however give the buck a reason to cross the fence. Be it bait, call anything.

#2. It'd just be wrong to leave the body to rot away. If i was really worried about being prosecuted i'd go ask the property owner if i can recover my kill

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I cant wait to see the honest answers to this one. Good job Tony, this, I'm predicting, will go 7 pages.

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Oh, and both scenarios, I would shoot and get the deer. I would try to get the deer to come to my side of the fence, but I would shoot either way.

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Guys ... this is really about situation ethics .... BOTH are trespassing ,,, BOTH could get you in trouble .... but the situation determines the action .... that's reality ..... BTW .. I agree with not shooting, but getting the buck ..

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Option #2,
HOWEVER, I would kindly re-ask the land owner and show him the blood trail.
If he wasn't moving on his trespassing statement,
I would call the Game Warden and the Police trying to get them to help them entice a better solution from the land owner.
If all this fails, then you just learned a lesson.
I would have selected #3 and hopefully the buck walked on the correct side of the fence or ran in the opposite direction.
Let the arrow fly - baby!

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You needed a 4th choice..... 4.) I would shoot, 2, leave the deer.

though I guess if you'd shoot him on the neighbors property you'd mostly likely go get him.

I think there are some gaps in these questions......1, if you shooot a deer on your property and it goes on the neighbors property, if he has told you he'd prosecute if he catches you on his, I think you' have to contact the landowner and ask him to go get your deer, either he'll let you just get it, or want to come with you and make sure your story holds up. I think very few landowners wouldn't let you retrive a buck ontheir propety, they just dont want you shooting bucks on their side of the fence.

As far as the first part goes, this would be a moral dilemna, also if the neighbors in his stand right there, you woulnd't haha, I almost wish fenclines were like the neutral zone in football, like say 3 yards on either side of the fence is kinda "our" property. I think that would be a good law, or even 1yard on either side. or 5yds?

I think I'd try to get that buck on my property, maybe cut a hole in the fence right there, haha, no I wouldn't but maybe fell a tree over the fence right there, haha, i kid, I think its tough luck. try to lure him on your side, a decoy in the rut I think would get that bruiser to jump the fence.

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1. I hope I never have to make that choice!

2. In Wis we just get a warden to enter the property to retreive game.

I rifle hunted a situation like this for many years. I positioned my stand over 100 yards from the fence. I shot the **** out of every deer to avoid that situation. The land owner was an usher at my church but during deer season he was the biggest pr1ck I have ever met. When the other neighbor moved onto the fenceline and started shooting at deer on my side of the fence I left the area and went to northern Wis to hunt national forest land. Now I don't have these problems. "Lead me not into temptation"

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exactly

You tried telling the landowner about a deer you shot that ran on his property last year ... he didn't let you get it ... infact, he took the deer himself ...... would you get it? you didn't answer the question ...:eek:

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Scenario 1 ....I would pass

Scenario 2.... I would shoot and also would recover the deer. I am
responsible to recover that animal. It would be more unethical to leave that deer dead 10 yards away than to recover it. Sure it's trespassing ,but at the same time trespass laws are hard to enforce and even harder to get a conviction. If the guy wants to be an idiot thats his problem. I will recover that deer in that situation. I would rather face a lawsuit than to leave a deer that I was responsiblee for killing 10 yards over a property line. I have more respect for the deer than a jack... landowner.

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The best solution is to do it the Wis. way. Date the neighbors wife. Get her to divorce him . Then you get half the hunting land! lol

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So lets hear from some of you guys that take hard lines with the trespassing thing ...... what would YOU do?

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1. I wouldn't shoot the deer cuz we have had people shot at deer on our property and we were not too happy about it.
2. I would get the deer cuz the people around here would understand you going on their land and getting your deer.

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Why do you insist on hunting the property line? Bow shot deer seldom drop on the spot.

Who's being the jack ass now?

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[align=left][/align][align=left][/align][align=left]Scenario 1. No I wouldn't shoot.
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[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]Scenario 2. Yes I would get my deer. If the land owner is an ass I would get the CO and law enforcement involved weather he has to let me in or not.
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I am not even going to hunt there. There are plenty of places to hunt that I do not have to worry about anything like that. Why put my self into a position for a major headache?

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These are some quotes from another thread ......


I wonder how you guys would answer the poll ......

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If you read the full scenario ... the neighboring landowner WILL NOT understand or let you get it .....do you recover your deer?


Bruce, there is no chance of a deer you shoot running on someones property?

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nevermind

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I think there is A LOT of lying on here! oh wait this is the internet.....everything is true and everyone is ethical!

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1.) No, I wouldn't shoot. Its difficult to say that with conviction, but I would hopeI would be able to stick to my guns.

2.) Yes, I would get the deer. Is there a law stating that you have to have permission to retrieve your animal? Washington is a free chase state, I could get it without permission in this instance. The landowner doesn't have to give me permission, but I don't have to ask either.

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Oh sorry... i must have missed thatpart. But i would still get the deer. Just go over and get it and put it over the fence and never say anything about it.

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The point of this thread is to show the "it's black and white" group that maybe if the situation changed ... so would the ethic ..

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Dan ... in the scenario, it would still be trespassing to get the dead deer without the landowners permission .... would you still get it????

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Honestly, and despite what I said in the other thread; yes.

I know full well that the landowner won't give me permission to go in and get it, but I owe it to the animal to retrieve it. If I'm busted, I'm busted. I man up and take the punishment. I would sleep perfectly fine at night knowing I tresspassed to get my animal.

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In this scenario I am not allowed on the other property to even retrieve the deer so I would not put myself in that position. There are plenty of other places for me to hunt.

In my real life there are maybe a couple of spots where a deer I shoot could possibly run on to someone else's property with one place being a restricted naval property. But if the deer did run over there I would call DNR and ask for their help. I spoke to the DNR guys at length about scenarios just like these and to keep my self within the law I would either need permission or I can call them and get their help.

In MD, unless it is posted with signs or blue paint, then you do not need to get permission. I am hunting land where I either have permission or it is public land and on any of the places I would hunt I would have to make a very, verybad shot for a deer to make it to posted land.

I can't speak for other places but here in Southern MD thereis plenty of public land that is good hunting if you are willing to walk a bit and make some effort. I may not get a shot at a new state record buck but, then, I won't lose any sleep over that either ;):D. I enjoy deer hunting, all deer.

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Way to man up, Dan .... I appreciate your honesty .....

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I wonder if folks would still trespass to get a doe instead of the "biggest buck they had ever seen"? ;)

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No reason to lie about it, Tony. ;)

Theres a difference between the two scenarios, in my opinion.

To me theres a difference between retrieving downed game and staking claim to a tree on someone's property. If I shot the animal legally on MY property (or property I had permission to hunt) I should be able to get that animal.;)I'm not going to let it rot simply because the neighboring landowner wants to be an ass.

But again, thats just me.

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You're the only one that tells the truth :eek:. Talk about BS :eek::eek::eek:. If you need to call everyone else a liar to feel better about your ethics and integrity it doesn't say much for either ;).

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Are you kidding me?

That's the biggest line of crap I've read on here in awhile.

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Quit duckin' the question, Bruce :D.....let's say your visiting your bestest HNI friend, PreacherTony;), and it happened ..... would you get the deer?

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I would call the guy and tell him he had a dead deer on his property and he should get it before it rots ;). OR my bestest HNI friend could just trespass for me and get it since I am his guest LOL:D.

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Well i'll tell ya TONY i do hunt a fence line and my stand is 45 yards away from it, but it's facing the opposite of thefence and the deer do cross the trail runs 20 yards past my stand . I I shoot a buck 2 years ago and it turn and ran back the way it came i seen it drop 25 yards on te other guys land that i don't have the rights to hunt thereor to get the deer so i waited till it got dark to get my deer i know that may not be right but i shot it on the land i was hunting so i have no guilt getting my deer .

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Doesn't matter if it's a doe or a booner. I still owe it to the animal to recover it. This type of question came up at a Bowhunting course I took last fall. I took the course so I could get license in other states. Anyway the same type of question was asked. We had to answer the questions in front of everyone and that included a CO and the instructors.

After about half an hour of people honestly answering what they'd do in the situation a deputy CO chimed in and told us basically that Game Law requires you to retreive you animal, but at the same time they (CO's) have no authority to let you or help you with getting your deer from posted property. But he also said that if you went and got your deer on posted property they( co's/Police) could not prosecute you. The landowner could press charges but the likelyhood of conviction would be about zero.

We all thought why the heck would a Co tell us this at a course supposedly teaching us laws and ethics of bowhunting? Why do you think he told us?

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1. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. I didn't shoot the deer (or shoot at it). I grunted, rattled, snort wheezed, and then watched him walk by. It was an easy decision not to shoot, it's just the way I was brought up and the right thing to do. Did I "WANT" to shoot? Absolutely! But regardless of how bad I wanted to, I knew that it wasn't right.

From that point on, it was really easy... I knew that if I sat at that stand, I still wasn't going to shoot.

2. I'd kill him, and go get him... no questions asked. Sometimes (Flame me if you want to) morals and ethics outweigh legality IMO. Who's to say that the same thing couldn't happen if you were sitting 100 yards from the fence? I'd go get the deer then as well.