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Situation Ethics????........2 Part Question .....**UPDATED WITH twils real life situation
02-22-2008 | 05:48 PM
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
The point of this thread is to show the "it's black and white" group that maybe if the situation changed ... so would the ethic ..
ORIGINAL: 125py
I think there is A LOT of lying on here! oh wait this is the internet.....everything is true and everyone is ethical!
I think there is A LOT of lying on here! oh wait this is the internet.....everything is true and everyone is ethical!
02-22-2008 | 05:50 PM
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
No reason to lie about it, Tony.
Theres a difference between the two scenarios, in my opinion.
To me theres a difference between retrieving downed game and staking claim to a tree on someone's property. If I shot the animal legally on MY property (or property I had permission to hunt) I should be able to get that animal.I'm not going to let it rot simply because the neighboring landowner wants to be an ass.
But again, thats just me.
Theres a difference between the two scenarios, in my opinion.
To me theres a difference between retrieving downed game and staking claim to a tree on someone's property. If I shot the animal legally on MY property (or property I had permission to hunt) I should be able to get that animal.
I'm not going to let it rot simply because the neighboring landowner wants to be an ass.But again, thats just me.
02-22-2008 | 05:51 PM
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: DropTine249
Lets be honest, everyone would shoot that deer and everyone would get that deer. Dont BS yourselves. Its a no-brainer, booner + 10yards away + you with a bow = you shooting.
Hit deer, now dead + you seeing the deer - the trespassing signs = you going after the deer.
Its like everyone else on here are angels. At least I tell the truth.
Lets be honest, everyone would shoot that deer and everyone would get that deer. Dont BS yourselves. Its a no-brainer, booner + 10yards away + you with a bow = you shooting.
Hit deer, now dead + you seeing the deer - the trespassing signs = you going after the deer.
Its like everyone else on here are angels. At least I tell the truth.
. Talk about BS . If you need to call everyone else a liar to feel better about your ethics and integrity it doesn't say much for either .
02-22-2008 | 05:53 PM
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: DropTine249
Lets be honest, everyone would shoot that deer and everyone would get that deer. Dont BS yourselves. Its a no-brainer, booner + 10yards away + you with a bow = you shooting.
Hit deer, now dead + you seeing the deer - the trespassing signs = you going after the deer.
Its like everyone else on here are angels. At least I tell the truth.
Lets be honest, everyone would shoot that deer and everyone would get that deer. Dont BS yourselves. Its a no-brainer, booner + 10yards away + you with a bow = you shooting.
Hit deer, now dead + you seeing the deer - the trespassing signs = you going after the deer.
Its like everyone else on here are angels. At least I tell the truth.
That's the biggest line of crap I've read on here in awhile.
02-22-2008 | 05:58 PM
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
In this scenario I am not allowed on the other property to even retrieve the deer so I would not put myself in that position. There are plenty of other places for me to hunt.
In my real life there are maybe a couple of spots where a deer I shoot could possibly run on to someone else's property with one place being a restricted naval property. But if the deer did run over there I would call DNR and ask for their help. I spoke to the DNR guys at length about scenarios just like these and to keep my self within the law I would either need permission or I can call them and get their help.
In MD, unless it is posted with signs or blue paint, then you do not need to get permission. I am hunting land where I either have permission or it is public land and on any of the places I would hunt I would have to make a very, verybad shot for a deer to make it to posted land.
I can't speak for other places but here in Southern MD thereis plenty of public land that is good hunting if you are willing to walk a bit and make some effort. I may not get a shot at a new state record buck but, then, I won't lose any sleep over that either
. I enjoy deer hunting, all deer.
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Bruce, there is no chance of a deer you shoot running on someones property?
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I am not even going to hunt there. There are plenty of places to hunt that I do not have to worry about anything like that. Why put my self into a position for a major headache?
I am not even going to hunt there. There are plenty of places to hunt that I do not have to worry about anything like that. Why put my self into a position for a major headache?
In my real life there are maybe a couple of spots where a deer I shoot could possibly run on to someone else's property with one place being a restricted naval property. But if the deer did run over there I would call DNR and ask for their help. I spoke to the DNR guys at length about scenarios just like these and to keep my self within the law I would either need permission or I can call them and get their help.
In MD, unless it is posted with signs or blue paint, then you do not need to get permission. I am hunting land where I either have permission or it is public land and on any of the places I would hunt I would have to make a very, verybad shot for a deer to make it to posted land.
I can't speak for other places but here in Southern MD thereis plenty of public land that is good hunting if you are willing to walk a bit and make some effort. I may not get a shot at a new state record buck but, then, I won't lose any sleep over that either
. I enjoy deer hunting, all deer.
.....let's say your visiting your bestest HNI friend, PreacherTony, and it happened ..... would you get the deer?
02-22-2008 | 06:03 PM
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From: Southern MD
RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Quit duckin' the question, Bruce.....let's say your visiting your bestest HNI friend, PreacherTony, and it happened ..... would you get the deer?
Quit duckin' the question, Bruce
.....let's say your visiting your bestest HNI friend, PreacherTony, and it happened ..... would you get the deer?
. OR my bestest HNI friend could just trespass for me and get it since I am his guest LOL.
02-22-2008 | 06:07 PM
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
Well i'll tell ya TONY i do hunt a fence line and my stand is 45 yards away from it, but it's facing the opposite of thefence and the deer do cross the trail runs 20 yards past my stand . I I shoot a buck 2 years ago and it turn and ran back the way it came i seen it drop 25 yards on te other guys land that i don't have the rights to hunt thereor to get the deer so i waited till it got dark to get my deer i know that may not be right but i shot it on the land i was hunting so i have no guilt getting my deer .
02-22-2008 | 06:09 PM
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RE: Ok Ethics Police ........2 Part Question .................................................
I wonder if folks would still trespass to get a doe instead of the "biggest buck they had ever seen"?
After about half an hour of people honestly answering what they'd do in the situation a deputy CO chimed in and told us basically that Game Law requires you to retreive you animal, but at the same time they (CO's) have no authority to let you or help you with getting your deer from posted property. But he also said that if you went and got your deer on posted property they( co's/Police) could not prosecute you. The landowner could press charges but the likelyhood of conviction would be about zero.
We all thought why the heck would a Co tell us this at a course supposedly teaching us laws and ethics of bowhunting? Why do you think he told us?
02-22-2008 | 06:10 PM
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RE: Situation Ethics????........2 Part Question .................................................
1. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. I didn't shoot the deer (or shoot at it). I grunted, rattled, snort wheezed, and then watched him walk by. It was an easy decision not to shoot, it's just the way I was brought up and the right thing to do. Did I "WANT" to shoot? Absolutely! But regardless of how bad I wanted to, I knew that it wasn't right.
From that point on, it was really easy... I knew that if I sat at that stand, I still wasn't going to shoot.
2. I'd kill him, and go get him... no questions asked. Sometimes (Flame me if you want to) morals and ethics outweigh legality IMO. Who's to say that the same thing couldn't happen if you were sitting 100 yards from the fence? I'd go get the deer then as well.
From that point on, it was really easy... I knew that if I sat at that stand, I still wasn't going to shoot.
2. I'd kill him, and go get him... no questions asked. Sometimes (Flame me if you want to) morals and ethics outweigh legality IMO. Who's to say that the same thing couldn't happen if you were sitting 100 yards from the fence? I'd go get the deer then as well.