I agree with you. I truly believe that many states based their laws for bowhunting modeled after Pope and Young's rules of fair chase. Wow, has that changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. Its anything goes now for a set of big horns and the $$$$ taken in.

It can't be to hard to kill them booners because I saw a show were his 10 year old daughter picked one out and let him have it.Hey maybe that 10 year old knows more then me.Old Dave is kinda stuck on himself for sure.

Don't worry about my butt. It's put on many miles and hours this year scoutin for seasons, filming buddies,sitting in tree stands, duck blinds, turkey huntin,chasin coon hounds all night, runnin trapline, shootin fish and tournaments, shooting 3ds andhelping our archery club set shoots up,pheasant huntin, chasin elk, workin in Alaksa fishing, fishing, starting to do taxidermy work,lets not forget about work and college (o boy now I'm gonna get belittled for being a "young guy" and not knowing anything), and much more like working on our deer herd study throughour school'swildlife societytrapping and radio collering deer for the next couple months. O yeah there is about 2 1/2 feet of snow on the ground and was below zero for the last week until yesterday so if you care to join me I'll gladly take ya out in the woods. So I think my butt deserves a breakon the couch once in awhile andwhen all thats on TV these days is reality shows and games shows watching a little hunting just isnt to bad even though it is a bunch or crap in most cases. Beats drinkin and doin drugs, right..............

My comment about big texas bucks didnt really come out right. I was more joking than anything but that dont matter. I realize there is prolly some good free range places in texas but all ya ever hear about is feeders hear and feeders there and this and that, even on free range. I guess looking at how hard farms in texas work(feed) to produce their big bucks its hard to beleive a wild buck from texas, at the same or close to same age, that doesnt receive food plots/feeding could match a4 1/2 year old 130 inch buck on free range ground in the same kind of time frame.....

I guess to sum it up this thread wasnt started because of TV show hunting and gripping about it and how wrong we all think it is and this and that. It was toargue the fact that these deer farmers think their pens are fair chase and they dont think a P&Y buck is a good buck. To them the onlygood buck is a monster that gets farmed and raised to its max potential and then harvestedlike asteer in a feed lot onlywith a rifle on abaited sendero.WCL

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The episode where his daughter killed a giant is the one I was talking about in the past thread, again, people ripped apart for saying it was joke.???

Things that are easily obtained are never as precious as those gotten through hard work.

I'm not a big fan of him or his show. Although i feel hunters need to stick together more then ever instead of say "this is REAL hunting and that isn't" i would tend to agree that high fence hunting, no matter how big the enclosure puts a bad taste in my mouth and is pretty hard to justify. My biggest problem with him and his show was mentioned earlier, the whole objectification of deer and antlers. I find it almost personally insulting when they talk about 130 whitetail as puny and needing a couple years (!!) to mature, and shooting management bucks that are bigger then what most people will ever see as if they were vermin ruining their deer herd. Show like that try to make hunting too scientific and take some of the joy out of the whole process. when you start obsessing over the details like the ph of your numerous food plots, the ratio of feed in your bait piles, and the inches of bone on the deer's head, at a certain point it seem like hunting becomes like work instead of being enjoyable. I have take one "big" deer in my life, a 30" mulie that i couldn't be more proud of, but i have had more exciting and more memorable hunts shooting whitetail spikes and 100 lb doe. So i guess in closing their is nothing wrong with wanting to shoot big bucks, but if i ever get to the point where that is all its about i'll quit.

It's really easy to come on an internet forum and run your mouth about things you know nothing about isn't it.

Really, unless you've experienced it, you have no idea what's fact an what just ignorant rhetoric.

I've never hunted the Midwest, or the Northeast, or the Northwest therefore I don't offer any input on those places because I know nothing about them. Maybe you should try that sometime.

LOL damn Mike, having a bad day? I thought these things are where people talk about their opinions, I'm pretty sure i didn't say "the way i do it is right and the way everyone else does it is wrong." So which part of that post has you so fired up? Although i've never hunted there I've done enough hunting to develop an opinion of what i like and what i don't like, that's all i was commenting on. nice use of the phrase "ignorant rhetoric" though (and that wasn't sarcasm)

On their own website thay state it very clearly "we are growing bigbucks" might not be an exact qoute but darn close.

When you are introducing genetics by impreganating does and getting deer used to human conatct and then putting up a fence to keep them in, it takes something away from hunting. These "trophy's" are suppposed to be so impressive? Then they basically put down hunters that are still doing it the way or grandfathers did, come on.

I wonder how many times the truck with the food goes down the sondaro withe the spreader on the back and the deer start appearing out of the thick stuff.

I witnessesd this one night in NY (were your not supposed to feed deer) the timer went off and two buck were headed down the hedge row, didn't care if my kids and I were standing there.