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MeanV2 01-21-2008 07:55 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO
I Agree Tony! I have been in Archery for 40+ years I have owned Martin, Pearson, Bear, PSE, High Country, Jennings, Parker,Oregon, Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech,and the list could go on. Bowtech has undoubtedly took more strides in bow design than I have seen in the short few years of their existence:D

Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D

Dan

Germ 01-21-2008 07:58 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: MeanV2


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO
I Agree Tony! I have been in Archery for 40+ years I have owned Martin, Pearson, Bear, PSE, High Country, Jennings, Parker,Oregon, Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech,and the list could go on. Bowtech has undoubtedly took more strides in bow design than I have seen in the short few years of their existence:D

Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D

Dan
Tony just a brown noser[8D]

PreacherTony 01-21-2008 07:58 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: MeanV2


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO
I Agree Tony! I have been in Archery for 40+ years I have owned Martin, Pearson, Bear, PSE, High Country, Jennings, Parker,Oregon, Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech,and the list could go on. Bowtech has undoubtedly took more strides in bow design than I have seen in the short few years of their existence:D

Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D

Dan
If I could afford it, I would definitely get me a Bowtech .....

PreacherTony 01-21-2008 08:02 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: MeanV2


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO
I Agree Tony! I have been in Archery for 40+ years I have owned Martin, Pearson, Bear, PSE, High Country, Jennings, Parker,Oregon, Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech,and the list could go on. Bowtech has undoubtedly took more strides in bow design than I have seen in the short few years of their existence:D

Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D

Dan
Tony just a brown noser[8D]
Said in Germ's caveman lingo: Germ just jealous Tony not say Ross :D

GR8atta2d 01-21-2008 08:04 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

If I could afford it, I would definitely get me a Bowtech .....
Put that Mathews on E-bay ... Thats one thing you can say about them..they sell very well there!

Or pass the collection plate an extra time or two...[:-]

Germ 01-21-2008 08:04 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: MeanV2


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO
I Agree Tony! I have been in Archery for 40+ years I have owned Martin, Pearson, Bear, PSE, High Country, Jennings, Parker,Oregon, Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech,and the list could go on. Bowtech has undoubtedly took more strides in bow design than I have seen in the short few years of their existence:D

Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D

Dan
Tony just a brown noser[8D]
Said in Germ's caveman lingo: Germ just jealous Tony not say Ross :D
Well if you had a ROSS, you would not want a bowtech

MeanV2 01-21-2008 08:04 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: MeanV2


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO
I Agree Tony! I have been in Archery for 40+ years I have owned Martin, Pearson, Bear, PSE, High Country, Jennings, Parker,Oregon, Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech,and the list could go on. Bowtech has undoubtedly took more strides in bow design than I have seen in the short few years of their existence:D

Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D

Dan
If I could afford it, I would definitely get me a Bowtech .....
Tony, I have always spent more money on my gear than I should;)In 03 I bought the Mathews Flagship bow, 2-Hoyts, 1- High Country, and 2 Bowtechs, After shooting those bows for approx. amonth. I got rid of all but 2;)I still go shoot the top offerings every year,but I have yet to find anything that fits and shoots for me like my Bowtechs:D

I have always shot what I thought was best[8D]

I don't have to settle for anything else:D

Dan

quiksilver 01-21-2008 08:13 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
This right here is all I'm sayin'.

You can get mad about it, make all the excuses you want, cry in your cereal, beat the kids, or poke out the eyeballs of your quiksilver voodoo doll... You can maybe make yourself feel better by knowing you paid twice as much as I did. You can buy a bigger truck to make up for your bow's "inadequacy."

But, as they say,the proof's in the pudding. And I could make it go faster if I wanted. How ya like them apples?

HCA Power.



Zing Pow baby.

Zing muthaflippin' Pow!

PreacherTony 01-21-2008 08:15 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: MeanV2


ORIGINAL: PreacherTony

My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO
I Agree Tony! I have been in Archery for 40+ years I have owned Martin, Pearson, Bear, PSE, High Country, Jennings, Parker,Oregon, Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech,and the list could go on. Bowtech has undoubtedly took more strides in bow design than I have seen in the short few years of their existence:D

Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D

Dan
Tony just a brown noser[8D]
Said in Germ's caveman lingo: Germ just jealous Tony not say Ross :D
Well if you had a ROSS, you would not want a bowtech
I shoot the bow that they copied [:-]Mathews

You gotta admit, they remind you of a Mathews .... that's a good thing, BTW :D


ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d

Or pass the collection plate an extra time or two...[:-]
Bob, you offering to contribute to getting the preacher a new bow to add to his collection?:D


ORIGINAL: MeanV2

Tony, I have always spent more money on my gear than I should;)In 03 I bought the Mathews Flagship bow, 2-Hoyts, 1- High Country, and 2 Bowtechs, After shooting those bows for approx. amonth. I got rid of all but 2;)I still go shoot the top offerings every year,but I have yet to find anything that fits and shoots for me like my Bowtechs:D

I have always shot what I thought was best[8D]

I don't have to settle for anything else:D
Dan
Dan, if I could, I would ... there was a day I would be able to buy 'em like that .....nomo:D

PreacherTony 01-21-2008 08:19 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: quiksilver

This right here is all I'm sayin'.

You can get mad about it, make all the excuses you want, cry in your cereal, beat the kids, or poke out the eyeballs of your quiksilver voodoo doll... You can maybe make yourself feel better by knowing you paid twice as much as I did. You can buy a bigger truck to make up for your bow's "inadequacy."

But, as they say,the proof's in the pudding. And I could make it go faster if I wanted. How ya like them apples?

HCA Power.



Zing Pow baby.

Zing muthaflippin' Pow!
I shot that bad-boy, Fran ...... it kinda .... scares me:D let's see if they start blowing up ....... I think HCA would win for most improved .... they really stepped up their game ... Bowtech started high ...sounds like another thread .....;)

MeanV2 01-21-2008 08:19 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: quiksilver

This right here is all I'm sayin'.

You can get mad about it, make all the excuses you want, cry in your cereal, beat the kids, or poke out the eyeballs of your quiksilver voodoo doll... You can maybe make yourself feel better by knowing you paid twice as much as I did. You can buy a bigger truck to make up for your bow's "inadequacy."

But, as they say,the proof's in the pudding. And I could make it go faster if I wanted. How ya like them apples?

HCA Power.



Zing Pow baby.

Zing muthaflippin' Pow!
What shooting 250 grain arrows? No Thanks!! Been there done that;)Be my guest!

Live and Learn![8D]

Dan

Greg / MO 01-21-2008 08:20 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
Fran,

I really am glad you're so happy with your bow, seriously. It helps lock you into our ranks as a bowhunter. :)

Just curious, though -- how many grains per pound are you shooting to get that number?

Gundeck 01-21-2008 08:36 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: Greg / MO

Fortunately, Gundeck... this forum doesn't see too much of "bash the other brands"... There's certainly guys in here who are proud of what they shoot, and that spirit is represented in many different brands. But I really haven't seen the "bash other brands" modus operandi to put "yours" on top... If you want some true examples of that at least 50 times a day, go read AT for a little bit. ;)

To your point... I think you could very well be right. The binary cam came about as a result of an engineer working in a completely different field other than archery, but he had a love of bows and bowhunting. He had an idea for a "better mousetrap", built a prototype on his own and approached a large company with it. Long story short, they hired him, he's now the Research & Development Director, and Bowtech never looked back. :)
I chose a poor way to word that. Actually, it is more that some of the guys are so PRO "my brand" that they give the impression that no other bow is worthy. I don't think anyone makes a point of putting down other brands, but there is certainly a level of "brand loyalty" here. :D

Rob/PA Bowyer 01-21-2008 08:51 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d

Well I think Bowtech has cetainly been innovative and I think this has pushed all the other Companies to make changes, wehn they could have just rested on thier sales numbers.

I guess the question could be...what more do you want? I mean we've seen split limbs, solid limbs, split risers, shoot through risers, no risers, plenty of speed. 1 cam 2 cam 1.5 cam. We've seen cable slides, cable rollers, all kinds of STS systems. We've seen bows that don't need a bow press. We've seen brace heights increase, Long ATA's Short ATA's. Higher Let-off..blah blah blah. We've seen Bow Companies put more attention to Quality strings out-of-the-box.

What else do we NEED? I'm sure if you (anyone) could recommend a new direction and it made sense..some bow company would love to hear it!

Perhaps the next big thing will be in equipment..something more tuned to the individualbow..instead of mix and match? I dunno [:-]
No one else said it Bob but your spot on, good post.

quiksilver 01-21-2008 08:51 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
Greg - that was around 3.7 gpp @ 29". If I went all the way down to warranty limit, and put a little pre-load on the cams,I could probably scare 400. Problem is, I can't build an arrow that light. Coming up with a 210 grain arrow after adding an insert/nock/tipisn't easy.

There's a guy on AT who has a 30+" draw length, and he's beenshooting a lighter arrow than minein the 405-412 range off of an Iron Mace. He'll probably pick up some more speed when hegoes from the Iron Mace to the Speed Force, b/c his brace height will go from 7.25 - under 7, and I think the f/d curve is little tighter. They're advertising a 7" bh on the Speed Force, but I'd suspect it's closer to 6.75. They advertised a 7.5" bh on my mace, but it's closer to 7.25.Trying to manipulate sales by puffing the numbers a bit. You know. They're all guilty.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=534920&highlight=412

TeeJay 01-21-2008 08:51 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
I would have to give my nod not to a "bow" company, but to Rage. From what I am seeing they are doing things to the "buisness" that the bow companies are not. 60 lb and less bows putting "bullet" type holes in deer. As far as a bow builder I would like to see more on the Lone Wolf bow. They sure set the mark with the portable stand market.

MeanV2 01-21-2008 08:55 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: quiksilver

Greg - that was around 3.7 gpp @ 29". If I went all the way down to warranty limit, and put a little pre-load on the cams,I could probably scare 400. Problem is, I can't build an arrow that light. Coming up with a 210 grain arrow after adding an insert/nock/tipisn't easy.

There's a guy on AT who has a 30+" draw length, and he's beenshooting a similar arrow to minein the 405-412 range off of an Iron Mace. He'll probably pick up some more speed when hegoes from the Iron Mace to the Speed Force, b/c his brace height will go from 7.25 - under 7, and I think the f/d curve is little tighter. They're advertising a 7" bh on the Speed Force, but I'd suspect it's closer to 6.75. They advertised a 7.5" bh on my mace, but it's closer to 7.25.Trying to manipulate sales by puffing the numbers a bit. You know. They're all guilty.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=534920&highlight=412
Like I said Keep on! Live and Learn![8D]

Been there done all that;)

Dan

Arthur P 01-21-2008 10:53 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
Like Dan said, been there done that. Increasing arrow speed with lighter arrows and shorter brace heights are old news. Try as I might, I fail to see'innovation' there.

quiksilver 01-21-2008 11:12 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
You fail to see a lot of things, Art.

Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds.

I must have missedthe newpaper clipping the last time somebody tried to market that "old" idea.

MeanV2 01-21-2008 11:30 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Even at mind-warping speeds.
Your mind must Warp pretty Easy[8D]

Dan

quiksilver 01-21-2008 11:50 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
Don't be jealous Dan.Speed envy is an ugly, uglything.

Not everybody can be this awesome. It's just not possible.

Germ 01-21-2008 11:51 AM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: quiksilver

Don't be jealous Dan.Speed envy is an ugly, uglything.

Not everybody can be this awesome. It's just not possible.
[:'(]I just threw up in my mouth

Arthur P 01-21-2008 12:16 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds.
I also fail to see how this qualifies as 'bow' technology, which is what the rest of us have been talking about. Looks like arrow technology to me. :D

BowTech_Shooter 01-21-2008 12:21 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: Arthur P


Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds.
I also fail to see how this qualifies as 'bow' technology, which is what the rest of us have been talking about. Looks like arrow technology to me. :D

Good point...

I remember Kevinshot a 225ish grain arrow through a 2003 Extreme VFT at theATA Show and it shot 425 fps. Obviously the arrow wasn't spined right and it would have voided thewarranty on the bow...

MeanV2 01-21-2008 12:21 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Don't be jealous Dan.
Jealous of What?[8D]

Is that all you got?:eek:

Dan

MeanV2 01-21-2008 12:25 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: Germ
[:'(]I just threw up in my mouth
My mouth wouldn't hold it all[8D]

Dan

atlasman 01-21-2008 01:03 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: BowTech_Shooter

Just to add a quick point, the optional camo patterns have been shipping since Nov and there are plenty of them out there. Do a search on AT and you'll find a bunch of them.
That isn't the answer my dealer got when he called and asked.......the time frames I posted is what he was told.

You guys are making this out to be like I have something against Bowtech..........I still shoot a Patriot and they are my #1 choice for bows.

2-8 weeks for stock bow and no guess would even be made on specialty camo options. That's what I was told when he hung up the phone..........standing at the counter with $1,000 in hand.

Do they ship to different parts of the country slower maybe??

Germ 01-21-2008 01:05 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
Atlas it's all about location;)

atlasman 01-21-2008 01:09 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: Greg / MO


I meant right now...........2008........what exactly about the 2008 line makes you think they are the leader in technology?
It's simple, really: the fact that other companies haven't caught up with their 2007 technology makes them the leader in technology still in 2008, and they didn't even have to bring anything new to the table.

And, trust me... I know you're going to quote the "and they didn't even have to bring anything new to the table" line.But the question was who has the best technology -- and it's a runaway consensus within the industry that Bowtech does, and I'm not talking about gaining agreement from a few posters on message boards. I could tell you stories about how respected their cutting-edge designs areby the other manufacturers themselves, but they're not for this forum. Don't even ask.

Again greg............don't make it out like I am bashingBowtech......I mentioned a TON of other companies that fizzled thisyear as well.

Funny howsome guys only get upset when one name gets mentioned though........reminds of the crowd thatused to hang out at the shops in theirblack and gold satin jackets and matching hats.

I loveand still shoot a Bowtech...........but I agree with you that they haven't brought anything new to the table this year. They still have great bows.............just nothing exciting in the 2008 lineupfor someone who already shoots a Bowtech.

Is that so bad to admit??

GMMAT 01-21-2008 01:09 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
IN Atlas's defense....(hey there's one ya didn't expect, huh?).....I originally ordered my 82nd in "treestand". I heard through the Bowtech grapevine that this camo was NOT going to be available any time soon.....and that was 30 days ago or more. I still don't think this camo pattern is available.

But we have the bows in our shop, now. Bowtech Mods???? I don't have a clue.

Greg / MO 01-21-2008 01:18 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
The treestand pattern was out of Bowtech's control; that's about all I can say there. ;)

And atlas, I don't think Bowtech brought out anything "revolutionary" this year, but I would disagree with "exciting." :)Bows hitting 348 fps legitimately (read 5 grains per lb. ;)) is pretty darn exciting. Again, not revolutionary, but exciting none the less. :)

MeanV2 01-21-2008 01:19 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
Exactly what Bowtech are you shooting atlasman?;)

Dan

BowTech_Shooter 01-21-2008 01:43 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: atlasman


ORIGINAL: BowTech_Shooter

Just to add a quick point, the optional camo patterns have been shipping since Nov and there are plenty of them out there. Do a search on AT and you'll find a bunch of them.
That isn't the answer my dealer got when he called and asked.......the time frames I posted is what he was told.

You guys are making this out to be like I have something against Bowtech..........I still shoot a Patriot and they are my #1 choice for bows.

2-8 weeks for stock bow and no guess would even be made on specialty camo options. That's what I was told when he hung up the phone..........standing at the counter with $1,000 in hand.

Do they ship to different parts of the country slower maybe??

No they all get shipped basically the same way and the NY Sales Rep. does a spectacular job of keeping his dealers informed with correct and updated info.

Is S&S Taxidermy still the dealer you go to?

pdq 5oh 01-21-2008 01:43 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: quiksilver

You fail to see a lot of things, Art.

Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds.

I must have missedthe newpaper clipping the last time somebody tried to market that "old" idea.
You are aware that a properly spined arrow, not just "stiffer than any other on the market", will give you a more forgiving/shootable setup. Right? But I guess if you make them stiff enough......spine consistency won't really matter. ;)Some "old ideas" are relegated to that status for a good reason.

BowTech_Shooter 01-21-2008 01:51 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
Like Greg mentioned, the Treestand pattern not being offeredis beyond our control.

We've sentsamples to Mossy Oak forapproval in which they haven't passed. Justas soon as they do we'll be taking orders for it again.

And, the problem is with the film, not how it's being applied.


Atlasman, I'mstill waiting on an answer to#41



pdq 5oh 01-21-2008 02:03 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: atlasman
What got your attention this year?
A bow quieter and more vibration/recoil-free than the Guardian. Two bows that actually WILL shoot in excess of 340 fps. Some that made, and make that claim, won't.

Re: the second point earlier.You miss my point.

atlasman 01-21-2008 02:17 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: Greg / MO

The treestand pattern was out of Bowtech's control; that's about all I can say there. ;)

Nice to see the truth FINALLY come out........so what I have said ALL ALONG is 100% accurate.

I hope all the guys who have been all bent out of shape over me saying I thought the time frame I was given was a bit much don't miss this. ;)



And atlas, I don't think Bowtech brought out anything "revolutionary" this year, but I would disagree with "exciting." :)Bows hitting 348 fps legitimately (read 5 grains per lb. ;)) is pretty darn exciting. Again, not revolutionary, but exciting none the less. :)
Manybows and companieshave that going for them this year.............again, why I don't consider it "exciting"

atlasman 01-21-2008 02:19 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: MeanV2

Exactly what Bowtech are you shooting atlasman?;)

Dan
2003 Patriot SC

atlasman 01-21-2008 02:21 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 

ORIGINAL: BowTech_Shooter

Like Greg mentioned, the Treestand pattern not being offeredis beyond our control.



I'm waiting.............anytime you guys want to take back everything you said earlier be my guest.




Atlasman, I'mstill waiting on an answer to#41

What is #41?

Germ 01-21-2008 02:22 PM

RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
 
Since they other thread was closed

What does this pattern (tree stand) look like? Atlas could give a rats arse about camo. If he likes this one a lot, I want to see it[8D]


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