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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: MeanV2 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: MeanV2 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: MeanV2 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
If I could afford it, I would definitely get me a Bowtech ..... Or pass the collection plate an extra time or two...[:-] |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: MeanV2 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D Dan ![]() |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: MeanV2 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D Dan I have always shot what I thought was best[8D] I don't have to settle for anything else:D Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
This right here is all I'm sayin'.
You can get mad about it, make all the excuses you want, cry in your cereal, beat the kids, or poke out the eyeballs of your quiksilver voodoo doll... You can maybe make yourself feel better by knowing you paid twice as much as I did. You can buy a bigger truck to make up for your bow's "inadequacy." But, as they say,the proof's in the pudding. And I could make it go faster if I wanted. How ya like them apples? HCA Power. ![]() Zing Pow baby. Zing muthaflippin' Pow! |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: MeanV2 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO Every time I have thought they couldn't raise the Bar they have:D Dan
You gotta admit, they remind you of a Mathews .... that's a good thing, BTW :D ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Or pass the collection plate an extra time or two...[:-] ORIGINAL: MeanV2 Tony, I have always spent more money on my gear than I should;)In 03 I bought the Mathews Flagship bow, 2-Hoyts, 1- High Country, and 2 Bowtechs, After shooting those bows for approx. amonth. I got rid of all but 2;)I still go shoot the top offerings every year,but I have yet to find anything that fits and shoots for me like my Bowtechs:D I have always shot what I thought was best[8D] I don't have to settle for anything else:D Dan, if I could, I would ... there was a day I would be able to buy 'em like that .....nomo:D |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver This right here is all I'm sayin'. You can get mad about it, make all the excuses you want, cry in your cereal, beat the kids, or poke out the eyeballs of your quiksilver voodoo doll... You can maybe make yourself feel better by knowing you paid twice as much as I did. You can buy a bigger truck to make up for your bow's "inadequacy." But, as they say,the proof's in the pudding. And I could make it go faster if I wanted. How ya like them apples? HCA Power. ![]() Zing Pow baby. Zing muthaflippin' Pow! |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver This right here is all I'm sayin'. You can get mad about it, make all the excuses you want, cry in your cereal, beat the kids, or poke out the eyeballs of your quiksilver voodoo doll... You can maybe make yourself feel better by knowing you paid twice as much as I did. You can buy a bigger truck to make up for your bow's "inadequacy." But, as they say,the proof's in the pudding. And I could make it go faster if I wanted. How ya like them apples? HCA Power. ![]() Zing Pow baby. Zing muthaflippin' Pow! Live and Learn![8D] Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Fran,
I really am glad you're so happy with your bow, seriously. It helps lock you into our ranks as a bowhunter. :) Just curious, though -- how many grains per pound are you shooting to get that number? |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO Fortunately, Gundeck... this forum doesn't see too much of "bash the other brands"... There's certainly guys in here who are proud of what they shoot, and that spirit is represented in many different brands. But I really haven't seen the "bash other brands" modus operandi to put "yours" on top... If you want some true examples of that at least 50 times a day, go read AT for a little bit. ;) To your point... I think you could very well be right. The binary cam came about as a result of an engineer working in a completely different field other than archery, but he had a love of bows and bowhunting. He had an idea for a "better mousetrap", built a prototype on his own and approached a large company with it. Long story short, they hired him, he's now the Research & Development Director, and Bowtech never looked back. :) |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d Well I think Bowtech has cetainly been innovative and I think this has pushed all the other Companies to make changes, wehn they could have just rested on thier sales numbers. I guess the question could be...what more do you want? I mean we've seen split limbs, solid limbs, split risers, shoot through risers, no risers, plenty of speed. 1 cam 2 cam 1.5 cam. We've seen cable slides, cable rollers, all kinds of STS systems. We've seen bows that don't need a bow press. We've seen brace heights increase, Long ATA's Short ATA's. Higher Let-off..blah blah blah. We've seen Bow Companies put more attention to Quality strings out-of-the-box. What else do we NEED? I'm sure if you (anyone) could recommend a new direction and it made sense..some bow company would love to hear it! Perhaps the next big thing will be in equipment..something more tuned to the individualbow..instead of mix and match? I dunno [:-] |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Greg - that was around 3.7 gpp @ 29". If I went all the way down to warranty limit, and put a little pre-load on the cams,I could probably scare 400. Problem is, I can't build an arrow that light. Coming up with a 210 grain arrow after adding an insert/nock/tipisn't easy.
There's a guy on AT who has a 30+" draw length, and he's beenshooting a lighter arrow than minein the 405-412 range off of an Iron Mace. He'll probably pick up some more speed when hegoes from the Iron Mace to the Speed Force, b/c his brace height will go from 7.25 - under 7, and I think the f/d curve is little tighter. They're advertising a 7" bh on the Speed Force, but I'd suspect it's closer to 6.75. They advertised a 7.5" bh on my mace, but it's closer to 7.25.Trying to manipulate sales by puffing the numbers a bit. You know. They're all guilty. http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=534920&highlight=412 |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
I would have to give my nod not to a "bow" company, but to Rage. From what I am seeing they are doing things to the "buisness" that the bow companies are not. 60 lb and less bows putting "bullet" type holes in deer. As far as a bow builder I would like to see more on the Lone Wolf bow. They sure set the mark with the portable stand market.
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver Greg - that was around 3.7 gpp @ 29". If I went all the way down to warranty limit, and put a little pre-load on the cams,I could probably scare 400. Problem is, I can't build an arrow that light. Coming up with a 210 grain arrow after adding an insert/nock/tipisn't easy. There's a guy on AT who has a 30+" draw length, and he's beenshooting a similar arrow to minein the 405-412 range off of an Iron Mace. He'll probably pick up some more speed when hegoes from the Iron Mace to the Speed Force, b/c his brace height will go from 7.25 - under 7, and I think the f/d curve is little tighter. They're advertising a 7" bh on the Speed Force, but I'd suspect it's closer to 6.75. They advertised a 7.5" bh on my mace, but it's closer to 7.25.Trying to manipulate sales by puffing the numbers a bit. You know. They're all guilty. http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=534920&highlight=412 Been there done all that;) Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Like Dan said, been there done that. Increasing arrow speed with lighter arrows and shorter brace heights are old news. Try as I might, I fail to see'innovation' there.
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
You fail to see a lot of things, Art.
![]() Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds. I must have missedthe newpaper clipping the last time somebody tried to market that "old" idea. |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver Even at mind-warping speeds. Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Don't be jealous Dan.Speed envy is an ugly, uglything.
Not everybody can be this awesome. It's just not possible. |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver Don't be jealous Dan.Speed envy is an ugly, uglything. Not everybody can be this awesome. It's just not possible. |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds. |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: Arthur P Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds. Good point... I remember Kevinshot a 225ish grain arrow through a 2003 Extreme VFT at theATA Show and it shot 425 fps. Obviously the arrow wasn't spined right and it would have voided thewarranty on the bow... |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver Don't be jealous Dan. Is that all you got?:eek: Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: Germ [:'(]I just threw up in my mouth Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: BowTech_Shooter Just to add a quick point, the optional camo patterns have been shipping since Nov and there are plenty of them out there. Do a search on AT and you'll find a bunch of them. You guys are making this out to be like I have something against Bowtech..........I still shoot a Patriot and they are my #1 choice for bows. 2-8 weeks for stock bow and no guess would even be made on specialty camo options. That's what I was told when he hung up the phone..........standing at the counter with $1,000 in hand. Do they ship to different parts of the country slower maybe?? |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Atlas it's all about location;)
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RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO I meant right now...........2008........what exactly about the 2008 line makes you think they are the leader in technology? And, trust me... I know you're going to quote the "and they didn't even have to bring anything new to the table" line.But the question was who has the best technology -- and it's a runaway consensus within the industry that Bowtech does, and I'm not talking about gaining agreement from a few posters on message boards. I could tell you stories about how respected their cutting-edge designs areby the other manufacturers themselves, but they're not for this forum. Don't even ask. Again greg............don't make it out like I am bashingBowtech......I mentioned a TON of other companies that fizzled thisyear as well. Funny howsome guys only get upset when one name gets mentioned though........reminds of the crowd thatused to hang out at the shops in theirblack and gold satin jackets and matching hats. I loveand still shoot a Bowtech...........but I agree with you that they haven't brought anything new to the table this year. They still have great bows.............just nothing exciting in the 2008 lineupfor someone who already shoots a Bowtech. Is that so bad to admit?? |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
IN Atlas's defense....(hey there's one ya didn't expect, huh?).....I originally ordered my 82nd in "treestand". I heard through the Bowtech grapevine that this camo was NOT going to be available any time soon.....and that was 30 days ago or more. I still don't think this camo pattern is available.
But we have the bows in our shop, now. Bowtech Mods???? I don't have a clue. |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
The treestand pattern was out of Bowtech's control; that's about all I can say there. ;)
And atlas, I don't think Bowtech brought out anything "revolutionary" this year, but I would disagree with "exciting." :)Bows hitting 348 fps legitimately (read 5 grains per lb. ;)) is pretty darn exciting. Again, not revolutionary, but exciting none the less. :) |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Exactly what Bowtech are you shooting atlasman?;)
Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: atlasman ORIGINAL: BowTech_Shooter Just to add a quick point, the optional camo patterns have been shipping since Nov and there are plenty of them out there. Do a search on AT and you'll find a bunch of them. You guys are making this out to be like I have something against Bowtech..........I still shoot a Patriot and they are my #1 choice for bows. 2-8 weeks for stock bow and no guess would even be made on specialty camo options. That's what I was told when he hung up the phone..........standing at the counter with $1,000 in hand. Do they ship to different parts of the country slower maybe?? No they all get shipped basically the same way and the NY Sales Rep. does a spectacular job of keeping his dealers informed with correct and updated info. Is S&S Taxidermy still the dealer you go to? |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver You fail to see a lot of things, Art. ![]() Namely, the technology to build a 5.5 gpi arrow, built to handle big-game hunting at +/- .001 straightness, that is stiffer than any other arrow on the market, thus eliminating energy loss due to shaftflexion upon release.Even at mind-warping speeds. I must have missedthe newpaper clipping the last time somebody tried to market that "old" idea. |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Like Greg mentioned, the Treestand pattern not being offeredis beyond our control.
We've sentsamples to Mossy Oak forapproval in which they haven't passed. Justas soon as they do we'll be taking orders for it again. And, the problem is with the film, not how it's being applied. Atlasman, I'mstill waiting on an answer to#41 |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: atlasman What got your attention this year? Re: the second point earlier.You miss my point. |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO The treestand pattern was out of Bowtech's control; that's about all I can say there. ;) Nice to see the truth FINALLY come out........so what I have said ALL ALONG is 100% accurate. I hope all the guys who have been all bent out of shape over me saying I thought the time frame I was given was a bit much don't miss this. ;) And atlas, I don't think Bowtech brought out anything "revolutionary" this year, but I would disagree with "exciting." :)Bows hitting 348 fps legitimately (read 5 grains per lb. ;)) is pretty darn exciting. Again, not revolutionary, but exciting none the less. :) |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: MeanV2 Exactly what Bowtech are you shooting atlasman?;) Dan |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
ORIGINAL: BowTech_Shooter Like Greg mentioned, the Treestand pattern not being offeredis beyond our control. I'm waiting.............anytime you guys want to take back everything you said earlier be my guest. Atlasman, I'mstill waiting on an answer to#41 What is #41? |
RE: Who is the leader in bow technology right now?
Since they other thread was closed
What does this pattern (tree stand) look like? Atlas could give a rats arse about camo. If he likes this one a lot, I want to see it[8D] |
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