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I haven't seen any of their new offerings so please explain, what NEW technology did they both come out with for 2008?

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Liberty is the first thing that came to mind when talking about innovation at the moment. It looks a bit too goofy for my tastes, but I have read elsewhere about guys shooting them and being pleasantly surpirsed.

I think it will be very interesting in the next few years to see what comes out that is truly innovating and not just playing the fps leapfrog game!

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My vote has to go to Bowtech. HCA seems to really be making positive strides. I am not really going to say much about Mathews though because after carefully thinking about it sometimes major changes are not necessary.

I will end with this, I believe an overlooked company that builds good, solid hunting bows that may not look as nice to some bystanders and perhaps doesn't come up with earthshaking changes are Martin bows. They are solid in the field where it counts.

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Why does MATHEWS have to change their bow(s) when you have the best to offer? Why change perfection when you don't have to?

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:eek:Probablly because they aren't perfect! Probablly because there is no such thing as the perfect bow! Probablly because their own loyal crowd has expressed changes that they would like to see!:eek:

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Oh, Brother!

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Most innovative....Pearson especially with their new Deliverance bow!

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For this year and what the initial question for this post asked, I agree with this. Bowtech came out with a great innovation last year, but hasn't lit the world on fire this year. I'd like to see them marry that split riser design with one of their speed cams to come up with a true burner in the 340+ range for IBO yet still have that silent, dead in the hand shot. That would be an amazing bow.

However, for this year Pearson takes the cake with the Deliverance. An ambidextrous bow with a shoot through riser and a sight that does range adjusting for you...WOW. That pushes the envelope. Kudos to them.

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Except for one small detail. It pushes the envelope too far. Nothing taken with that bowcan be eligible for the P&Y book. Restriction against bow mounted electronic devices. Of course, we know how much attention people pay to P&Y's rules... that is, until an otherwise world record animal is taken with a non-compliant bow.

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When my pro shop owner got back from the ATA I called and talked to him for about 15 minutes to get to latest scoop on "what's new";) He said that BowTech both was very busy with people shooting all the new bows. I told him that people I know always tell me how busy BowTech's booth is and wnated to get his feedback on if it was actually true or not.
He said that BowTech's booth was super busy and that he had to make an appointment to talk with a salesman to make a large order. Ross said that the only other company's booth that was as busy as BowTech's was when Hoyt was getting ready to give away a free bow. He said for about an hour before the bow was given away, Hoyt was as busy as BowTech was during the whole show.

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York and later PSE did the shoot through and ambidextrious riser, nothing new. The electronic sight won't be legal in many states for big game and is anyone sure it will actually work?

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Illegal in a lot of states as well!;)

Dan

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I have to agree with you there! I hate the way the PSE X-Force looks. I love my Diamond bow. I think that Darton might be the one to come out with something new like they already came out with their new 2 cam and a half. Wouldn't surprise me if Darton comes out with something completely different. Them or bowtech.I think if anyone is going to come out with something new and innovative it will be someone we wont expect.

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Ok so bowtech didn't come out with a "new and innovative bow" but they did improve on older models like they took the guardian put smoother cams added the roller guard and string suppressor gave it a higher brace height thus loosing speed but got a bow that is smoother, quieter, and even more shock free! sure the roller and string suppressors aren't new but have you already seen another bow with the string suppressor place where they are on the Bowtech/Diamond bows? Oh and the invelvet is IMO the best finish there is out there!

How would that give them something new and innovative? How does making a bow faster make something innovative?

What has Mathews done to improve on their bows? And Hoyt all their bows look the same. PSE X-Force looks[:'(] I have seen one shoot and they aren't that great.
My vote will have to go for bowtech.

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Here's my take, Bowtech has a good thing going, I think the Diamond bows are good for Bowtech, because they are priced right to appeal to a "budget archer." Elite looks like they are building some steam, and YES, they do look like a Bowtech less one thing, LAMINATED LIMBS!!! Bowtech should have gone to LAMINATED LIMBS long ago, would have probably solved some of those fabled "Limb Problems," and probably gave them a few extra FPS. I'm a Hoyt/Reflex guy, but I always have my eyes open. I'd like to get a chance to shoot the new 101st Airborne, as I think it would likely be a bow I could consider putting in my hand for the spec's it comes with. I really like a longer A-to-A, therefore, this rules out a lot of stuff being in my eye as far as that goes. I also think Hoyt has a good thing going with the Reflex line, though this year's offerings FIZZLED horribly, I was severely disappointed with what they came out with. Ross is too small, not enough variation, Bear gets an Honorable Mention with their new design, but I really think ELITE is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

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Where do you get the impression the center pivot riser has "lost steam"? If you knew the numbers of bows BowTech are selling..............you'd turn off your computer. ;)

Learn more of the history herebefore typing. As they say..........'nuf said. :(

What are they doing so ground shaking? HCA is shooting light arrows at high poundage to get some extra speed. That's so early 90s. :eek:

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Atleast they can do it now without blowing up left and right.:D

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Just left. :D:D

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Who holds their bow by the riser?.......I have a wooden grip on my bowtech and NEVER hunt with a glove. I didn't notice any change in sound level from years past when I shot them.......they are quiet now but always have been.


Both are after market accessories and are not standard.........and one is illegal to hunt with (both in some states).


Which I was told may not even start shipping until early summer.........I am already gonna be thinking about 2009 bows by then.

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I meant right now...........2008........what exactly about the 2008 line makes you think they are the leader in technology?

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OK,I'll concede that.:D

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From seeing them only put out one new bow with that design that is basically nothing more then a retooled Guardian.........combine that with my dealler telling me that all Bowtech wanted to talk to him about this year was the Airbornes and how they felt THEY were the bows that people would come looking for.


Why??........I wish them all the success in the world.......I shoot a Bowtech and check out the new lines every year in hopes they will have something worth upgrading to.


This is the garbage that gets old REALLY fast..........all the Bowtech honks getting their panties in a wad when someone dares to even speak of them in anything less then drooling praise. Gimme a break Phil.


And roller cable guards is not??

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Forgot to mention the Limbsaver bow............making a bow as silent and vibe free while still keeping respectable speeds.

Can't see how that would be bad for a hunter.

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Itseems like (from the way this discussion is going) thequestion youshould haveasked (if you don't mind me saying) is "Who is the leader in bow innovation right now?"

As far as technology is concerned I think most of the bigger bow companies have it down pretty good. I suspect that's why you haven't gotten rid of your 03? I'm prettysure it's technologyis right on par with what is being offered today.

Now, that being said, I think innovation will eventually lead to better technology as it only makes sense to implement new tech. with new designs.

Who is the leader this year....hard to say, I think all have pretty much taken the year off as far as I could tell. I think if you look at Bear you will notice some pretty big changes and innovations with their limb design and suppression as well as their cam adjustments. Nothing earth shattering or "cutting edge" but I'd put them up there with the rest. Ross has a great riser design that, like Mathews, centers the string through the riser. Having owned both (sold the Ross, kept the Mathews) I'd say the Ross design was better. They offset the actual riser itself where my Switchback has the limb pockets offset. Both work just fine though.

By far the biggest change or "innovation" was with the radical riser design Bow Tech offered last year, but.....that was last year. This year the improvements are more subtle, much like everybody else.

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Yea........that is what I meant, but I guess the wording wasn't chosen very well.



I do like how BEAR put the double string catchers on their bows this year. My old BEAR with the SHOCK STOP system on it was great but it kept breaking, I always knew if someone could solve that problem it would be a big help in sound reduction..........STS turned out to be that someone.

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1st point: If that's your stance, isn't every bow just "retooled"? Riser, limbs, cams and strings.

2nd point: What's the point. You don't know enough. Accept that.

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BowTech have been innovative for more than one year. Bringing something to marketonce that gets some attention is admireable. Getting that attention year after year is leading.

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The second part makes the point clearer.........the above was just the first hint it was coming.



The point is...........listening to shills tow the company line gets old.

Got that spcialty camo Airborne ready yet??

Didn't think so ;)

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What got your attention this year?

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looks good on paper for leading in technology, THIS YEAR. I can't wait to shoot one.

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What are you Smokin Dude?;)

A little knowledge would help your posts[8D]

Dan

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Just to add a quick point, the optional camo patterns have been shipping since Nov and there are plenty of them out there. Do a search on AT and you'll find a bunch of them.

As always target colors are slow but they're shipping on a regular basis too.

BTW, you skipped over the question I asked in post #41.

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Well I think Bowtech has cetainly been innovative and I think this has pushed all the other Companies to make changes, wehn they could have just rested on thier sales numbers.

I guess the question could be...what more do you want? I mean we've seen split limbs, solid limbs, split risers, shoot through risers, no risers, plenty of speed. 1 cam 2 cam 1.5 cam. We've seen cable slides, cable rollers, all kinds of STS systems. We've seen bows that don't need a bow press. We've seen brace heights increase, Long ATA's Short ATA's. Higher Let-off..blah blah blah. We've seen Bow Companies put more attention to Quality strings out-of-the-box.

What else do we NEED? I'm sure if you (anyone) could recommend a new direction and it made sense..some bow company would love to hear it!

Perhaps the next big thing will be in equipment..something more tuned to the individualbow..instead of mix and match? I dunno [:-]

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It's simple, really: the fact that other companies haven't caught up with their 2007 technology makes them the leader in technology still in 2008, and they didn't even have to bring anything new to the table.

And, trust me... I know you're going to quote the "and they didn't even have to bring anything new to the table" line.But the question was who has the best technology -- and it's a runaway consensus within the industry that Bowtech does, and I'm not talking about gaining agreement from a few posters on message boards. I could tell you stories about how respected their cutting-edge designs areby the other manufacturers themselves, but they're not for this forum. Don't even ask.

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When my dad had his archery shop I could and did shoot every bow that was hot at the time. Sure some bows are faster then others. That doesn't always mean you are going to shoot it the best though. For the most part people want speed. I agree it is nice to have but that doesn't mean it's going to be the best shooting bow for you. I always went back to Hoyt. That was just the bow I liked the best. Of course everyone is going to make a pitch for the bow they shoot. And I'm sure me not ever having to buy a bow helps in my decision. But I don't really see a bow that is the best. Lots of companies make great bows. It's all in what you're looking for and what feels good when you shoot it.

Darrall

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Amen. You'll never see us argue that point, that's for sure; it's a great time to be a bowhunter.

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This is totally out of line with the "bash the other guys brand" mentality, but I think the next great innovation in archery is sitting in some guys shop out there. He probably doesn't have the money or the "friends" to make it happen right now, but he has the idea. I just hope he gets the break he needs to make it happen. This country was built on the spirit of invention. I believe it is still alive. Too bad it is often suppressed by the "big boys".

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My thoughts ..... last year I got into the 21st century and bought a Drenalin. I absolutely love it, by the way. Previously I had a 15 year old set-up. I have been watching bow technology for the last 2 years, and in my little experience, Bowtech stand above all as of 2008 as far as advancements ....IMO

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Fortunately, Gundeck... this forum doesn't see too much of "bash the other brands"... There's certainly guys in here who are proud of what they shoot, and that spirit is represented in many different brands. But I really haven't seen the "bash other brands" modus operandi to put "yours" on top... If you want some true examples of that at least 50 times a day, go read AT for a little bit. ;)

To your point... I think you could very well be right. The binary cam came about as a result of an engineer working in a completely different field other than archery, but he had a love of bows and bowhunting. He had an idea for a "better mousetrap", built a prototype on his own and approached a large company with it. Long story short, they hired him, he's now the Research & Development Director, and Bowtech never looked back. :)

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Issue with technology is it has to be seen by us.

There are technologies in bows today we do not see, ROSS riser is a classic example. It looks the same as others, but is a
proprietary design by ROSS.
Same goes for all other brands as well, looking new, and being new is two different beast IMO. A bow can look exactly the same as last year and have many new features we simple do not see.

Bowtech has been the best a visual aspect of new technologies the last feew years IMO.