I suppose that should work both ways then, huh?

If you implemented NC regs in Iowa.....would the deer there get smaller?

Actually, your example is just starting to get out of hand, not too bad of shape yet.

When it gets to 470,000 does and 30,000 bucks, then things are out of hand. (about 15/1 ratio).

You'll have very stressed bucks, all bucks reguardless of age will breed (reducing quality), hunters will be unhappy etc. The herd will continually degrade.

GMMAT
This is serious............. no time for your "humor"

Jeff there is no wild QDM principles.
There is not set "Standard" for QDM

Which is why it works

Jeff spend the 30 bucks and become a memeber for a year. Than let me know
http://www.qdma.com/

Jim I will pay for yours[8D]

Seriously.....you're saying our deer would be bigger if we implemented Iowa regs, here. So would theirs get smaller if they implemented ours?

The deer there are bigger because of something other than their regs. They might have more older deer.....but they're the size they are because of WHERE they are.

There was an article in deer and deerhunting that indicated that ratios like that cannot happen. Here is a thread on another forum that discusses it.

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215254

greg,

I certainly didn't mean to imply these guys don't know what they are talkingabout...........I agree with a lot of what they say andyes I read these publications. I just don't believe everything I read just because it is written. I take thatinfo and combine it with what I see in thefield and make my own opinions. I agree with almost NOTHING the NYSDEC spews out every year and I know tons of guys that just soak it inand accept it as fact no matter how much their eyes tell them differently.

I traveled to a couple different states thisyear and my eyes were really opened.....combine that with what I have seen a couple different groups in NY do and I justfind a lot of fault with some of the logic being pushed as fact.

Ithink these guys are all VERYsmart.................I also thinkwe haveyet to find a state run hunting program that has hunters as it's #1 priority. Too many other factors in this game for me to be that naive.

Well if you have 400,000 does and let's say 300,000 get succesfully bred in the spring your looking at a herd that just ballooned by 600,000 - 700,000 deer, right? I think natures balance of the herd is something like 2 does to a buck wouldn't that be what you want?

Yes and no

They would not kill as many big bucks, simple because of simple math.

More Bucks you allow to age, the more big bucks one will have.

Atlas makes a statement that is dead on Jeff.
QDM makes it easier to kill mature bucks. He is dead on correct. Simple math, more big deer one has in thier location. The better the odds.

Atlas, mine and yours issue is the numbers issue.

Atlas has to contend with high hunting numbers and pressure. If his state practice QDM priciples

1.Protect Young bucks
2.shoot does(mature) where needed/

Atlas would have better odds at shooting bigger deer.
QDM wants a deer herd at or just below carry capacity. In some cases shooting does is not done.

There are a lot of myths about QDM, if you want to know what QDM is about, Join

That, my friend is the million dollar question