Outfitter vs No Outfitter
01-03-2008 | 01:23 PM
#31
Typical Buck
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RE: Outfitter vs No Outfitter
Oakcreek,
That's great that you don't lease any ground, but do you get sole permission on this ground? Are local hunters allowed to hunt the property you put your paying clients on. You may not care about profitting from hunting, but are you? If you did it just because you love it you would do it for free.
That's great that you don't lease any ground, but do you get sole permission on this ground? Are local hunters allowed to hunt the property you put your paying clients on. You may not care about profitting from hunting, but are you? If you did it just because you love it you would do it for free.
01-03-2008 | 04:18 PM
#32
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Outfitter vs No Outfitter
sounds like to me you got a good thing going i have wanted to hunt canada since i started hunting.
also i have no proplem with someone buying land or leaseing it to make money. Whats the big deal . i would rather see you buy it make a wildlife refuge and hunt it then see a walmart built there
also i have no proplem with someone buying land or leaseing it to make money. Whats the big deal . i would rather see you buy it make a wildlife refuge and hunt it then see a walmart built there
ORIGINAL: oakcreek
I'm a outfitter from Manitoba,Canada and to let you know not all outfitters lease land or own there own up here, I personaly knock on doors myself and when there hand comes out i shake it if they want more i tell them that i would ever take away hunting from any local for my own gain and leave with a thanks anyways.
For anyone considering hunting with a outfitter get involved with them call ahead and find out if they need help setting stands clearing shooting lanes and become there friend not just another client, any of the hunters i have had have been more than willing to lend a handand i always appreciate there imput they may be the ones sitting in the treestands or ground blinds I do this outfitting because ilove it!I don't do it to get rich!!
ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland
I would personally go for public ground. I would hate to go to another state, use an outfitter, and know that I'm hunting on property that was leased so that no local hunters could use it. I firmly believe that outfitters and personal leasing will be the downfall of this great sport. It's destined to become a rich man's sport. Just my two cents. Do it yourself and take pride in knowing that you usedYOUR skill to succeed and have a good time.
I would personally go for public ground. I would hate to go to another state, use an outfitter, and know that I'm hunting on property that was leased so that no local hunters could use it. I firmly believe that outfitters and personal leasing will be the downfall of this great sport. It's destined to become a rich man's sport. Just my two cents. Do it yourself and take pride in knowing that you usedYOUR skill to succeed and have a good time.
For anyone considering hunting with a outfitter get involved with them call ahead and find out if they need help setting stands clearing shooting lanes and become there friend not just another client, any of the hunters i have had have been more than willing to lend a handand i always appreciate there imput they may be the ones sitting in the treestands or ground blinds I do this outfitting because ilove it!I don't do it to get rich!!
01-03-2008 | 04:39 PM
#33
Nontypical Buck
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From: North Carolina
RE: Outfitter vs No Outfitter
Do It Yourself. I like full control on when and where I am going. If you can afford to hunt a private lease for a week that would be good too. Public is good too but it can be risky where you may waste your time if you get into an area that has a lot of pressure.
01-03-2008 | 05:22 PM
#34
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From: Central Minnesota
RE: Outfitter vs No Outfitter
ORIGINAL: SevenMag
for locals, yes, it DEFINITELY sucks that the guides are sucking up the land and charging out the wang for a hunt... which, as other mentioned, I'd never use a guide for game I can hunt locally or that is available for me to hunt without a guide...
however....... for guys like me that want to hunt Elk, caribou, 'lopes, or etc., well, a guided hunt from a reputable guide service is about the only way you can do it economically... think about it, me living in the chicago area I'd have to buy a very serious amount of gear to be used for a one week per year hunt... not to mention travel (by truck of course)... it would take me about 5-7yrs of unguided hunts to make up the cost difference... then toss in the very low success rates of people hunting areas/animals they are not familiar with, not to mention eating up at minimum 1-2 weeks worth of vacation days that I can use for other things since I can hunt whitey's fairly locally...
what I hear from the anti-guide hunters sounds a lot like "local's rule, tourists drool" kinda sour grapes... they want their land all to themselves and can't stand the fact that there is an entire economy in the area based on this...
guides are part of hunting now, whether we like it or not... I'm takin each of my boys to WY for a guided antelope hunt for their 12th bday, its something they cannot hunt locally... they will have taken whitey's by then anyway so this is kind of a special treat for them...
for locals, yes, it DEFINITELY sucks that the guides are sucking up the land and charging out the wang for a hunt... which, as other mentioned, I'd never use a guide for game I can hunt locally or that is available for me to hunt without a guide...
however....... for guys like me that want to hunt Elk, caribou, 'lopes, or etc., well, a guided hunt from a reputable guide service is about the only way you can do it economically... think about it, me living in the chicago area I'd have to buy a very serious amount of gear to be used for a one week per year hunt... not to mention travel (by truck of course)... it would take me about 5-7yrs of unguided hunts to make up the cost difference... then toss in the very low success rates of people hunting areas/animals they are not familiar with, not to mention eating up at minimum 1-2 weeks worth of vacation days that I can use for other things since I can hunt whitey's fairly locally...
what I hear from the anti-guide hunters sounds a lot like "local's rule, tourists drool" kinda sour grapes... they want their land all to themselves and can't stand the fact that there is an entire economy in the area based on this...
guides are part of hunting now, whether we like it or not... I'm takin each of my boys to WY for a guided antelope hunt for their 12th bday, its something they cannot hunt locally... they will have taken whitey's by then anyway so this is kind of a special treat for them...
01-03-2008 | 07:02 PM
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RE: Outfitter vs No Outfitter
ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland
Oakcreek,
That's great that you don't lease any ground, but do you get sole permission on this ground? Are local hunters allowed to hunt the property you put your paying clients on. You may not care about profitting from hunting, but are you? If you did it just because you love it you would do it for free.
Oakcreek,
That's great that you don't lease any ground, but do you get sole permission on this ground? Are local hunters allowed to hunt the property you put your paying clients on. You may not care about profitting from hunting, but are you? If you did it just because you love it you would do it for free.
01-03-2008 | 07:07 PM
#36
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RE: Outfitter vs No Outfitter
what do you charge i am thinking about doing an outfitter next season
ORIGINAL: oakcreek
Ifthere are locals that also have permission on the same ground i stay out they can even use mystands i tell them if i seena good buck or just deer in genral.The amount that i charge covers my cost of the hunt and my time off work nothing more.
ORIGINAL: Splitear_Leland
Oakcreek,
That's great that you don't lease any ground, but do you get sole permission on this ground? Are local hunters allowed to hunt the property you put your paying clients on. You may not care about profitting from hunting, but are you? If you did it just because you love it you would do it for free.
Oakcreek,
That's great that you don't lease any ground, but do you get sole permission on this ground? Are local hunters allowed to hunt the property you put your paying clients on. You may not care about profitting from hunting, but are you? If you did it just because you love it you would do it for free.
01-03-2008 | 07:20 PM
#38
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RE: Outfitter vs No Outfitter
sounds good i will go look [quote]ORIGINAL: oakcreek
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656
what do you charge i am thinking about doing an outfitter next season
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what do you charge i am thinking about doing an outfitter next season
Check out my add in the classifids (manitoba archery 08)
01-03-2008 | 08:17 PM
#39
Fork Horn
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From: Northern Plains
RE: Outfitter vs No Outfitter
Definately no outfitter! This is what huntings all about, exploring new territory, hunting where you want, making your own decisions.
Your really not hunting if you hire someone to take you to the game and the only thing you really did is shoot the animal. Thats not hunting in my book. You didn't do any of the leg work or thinking that comes with hunting.
Anyone with money can go out and buy themselves a trophy. Its the fellas that get out on DIY hunts that are the true hunters in my book IMO.
Your really not hunting if you hire someone to take you to the game and the only thing you really did is shoot the animal. Thats not hunting in my book. You didn't do any of the leg work or thinking that comes with hunting.
Anyone with money can go out and buy themselves a trophy. Its the fellas that get out on DIY hunts that are the true hunters in my book IMO.
