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Where is your middle ground
12-16-2007 | 06:44 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
Joined: May 2006
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From: Castile N.Y.
RE: Where is your middle ground
I really wish NYS would do something with the age structure of the bucks around through AR's. But i know the hunting is fine around where i hunt so that would just be a plus and by no means a negative if they didnt. The only reason i want them is because my land borders county land and the little guys really dont stand a chance around here. Oh well im seeing deer and plenty of them so till next time, shoot what you want and i'll do the same!
12-19-2007 | 08:20 AM
#24
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Dec 2006
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From: Heaven is my home, temporarily residing in WNY :)
RE: Where is your middle ground
ORIGINAL: Charlie P
Preach I didn't realize you from NY. Your on lake Eire ?
Preach I didn't realize you from NY. Your on lake Eire ?
12-19-2007 | 08:38 AM
#25
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 661
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From: Antioch, IL
RE: Where is your middle ground
i had to choose the last option... we manage the deer on our proprty ourselves, we are going to be upping our standards a little next season and take more doe and increase the size limit for bucks... at the moment it is simply 8pts outside the ears, we're gonna stick with 8pts but move up to minimum spread of 2" outside outside each ear, average spreads should be minimum 4" wider and we'll be looking strictly for mature 5yr or better bucks... but we're gonna have to take about 25 doe per season at minimum and preferably more like 30-35, we are being overrun by doe near us mostly cuz of the guys nearby refusing to shoot antlerless deer... we have a deer a day limit and the local GW said he wouldn't cite anyone for taking 2 or more does per day... should be able to fill the freezer next year real good... 
12-19-2007 | 08:46 AM
#27
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,701
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From: Wadena, MN
RE: Where is your middle ground
They dont have their mass slaughter during the peak of the rut!
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
You guys are an up coming state in P@Y monster bucks! The last few years i've seen alot of big bucks taken in the Dakota's, more so in ND. I plan on making a trip out there possibly even next year and give it a try on some of your big guys. Kudo's to what ever you guys did to get what you have now for big bucks! The funny thing is I don't think anyone thinks of ND for having big bucks! Thats perfectly fine to me and to you i'm sure!
ORIGINAL: TJF
I voted for the last choice, you shoot what you want as long as it is legal. Like Schultzy... it really depends on your area but also how the Game & Fish Department manage the deer population.
We don't need a manditory antler restriction with our Lottery System. We actually have adecent aged buck population. Alot of hunters are holding out for older bucks. Granted it is 2.5 and 3.5 year olds now verses 1.5 year olds when I first came. You sure can't complain. Manditory antler restrictions basically protect 1.5 year old bucks and not all of them. Nothing would really be gained byAR. A headache not needed if someone shot a spike or forky by accident which happens.
Our 2.5 weekGeneral Season is alottery drawfor bucks. Our state is broken up into manyunits and the buck tag is just for that unit. It isn't good state wide.
The 2.5 week Muzzle loading Season is lottery draw for bucks.Tags are also set upfor acertain unit, not statewide.
We can shoot all the does we want until theextraantlerless tags are used up which is set by the G & FDept. It is ona first come, first serve basis after thelottery drawings. You are not limited to the number you can buy. I could buy 1000's of extraantlerless tags until they are gone. [&:] These tags are also set up for a certain unit but I canbuy tagsin any unit.
Our archery tag is good for any deer ( resident ). Statewide.
As long as the Fish and Game Dept manage the deer population properly, which they are, we have it prettygood.
Tim
I voted for the last choice, you shoot what you want as long as it is legal. Like Schultzy... it really depends on your area but also how the Game & Fish Department manage the deer population.
We don't need a manditory antler restriction with our Lottery System. We actually have adecent aged buck population. Alot of hunters are holding out for older bucks. Granted it is 2.5 and 3.5 year olds now verses 1.5 year olds when I first came. You sure can't complain. Manditory antler restrictions basically protect 1.5 year old bucks and not all of them. Nothing would really be gained byAR. A headache not needed if someone shot a spike or forky by accident which happens.
Our 2.5 weekGeneral Season is alottery drawfor bucks. Our state is broken up into manyunits and the buck tag is just for that unit. It isn't good state wide.
The 2.5 week Muzzle loading Season is lottery draw for bucks.Tags are also set upfor acertain unit, not statewide.
We can shoot all the does we want until theextraantlerless tags are used up which is set by the G & FDept. It is ona first come, first serve basis after thelottery drawings. You are not limited to the number you can buy. I could buy 1000's of extraantlerless tags until they are gone. [&:] These tags are also set up for a certain unit but I canbuy tagsin any unit.
Our archery tag is good for any deer ( resident ). Statewide.
As long as the Fish and Game Dept manage the deer population properly, which they are, we have it prettygood.
Tim
12-19-2007 | 08:50 AM
#28
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 11,682
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From: Michigan/Ohio
RE: Where is your middle ground
ORIGINAL: TeeJay
They dont have their mass slaughter during the peak of the rut!
They dont have their mass slaughter during the peak of the rut!
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
You guys are an up coming state in P@Y monster bucks! The last few years i've seen alot of big bucks taken in the Dakota's, more so in ND. I plan on making a trip out there possibly even next year and give it a try on some of your big guys. Kudo's to what ever you guys did to get what you have now for big bucks! The funny thing is I don't think anyone thinks of ND for having big bucks! Thats perfectly fine to me and to you i'm sure!
ORIGINAL: TJF
I voted for the last choice, you shoot what you want as long as it is legal. Like Schultzy... it really depends on your area but also how the Game & Fish Department manage the deer population.
We don't need a manditory antler restriction with our Lottery System. We actually have adecent aged buck population. Alot of hunters are holding out for older bucks. Granted it is 2.5 and 3.5 year olds now verses 1.5 year olds when I first came. You sure can't complain. Manditory antler restrictions basically protect 1.5 year old bucks and not all of them. Nothing would really be gained byAR. A headache not needed if someone shot a spike or forky by accident which happens.
Our 2.5 weekGeneral Season is alottery drawfor bucks. Our state is broken up into manyunits and the buck tag is just for that unit. It isn't good state wide.
The 2.5 week Muzzle loading Season is lottery draw for bucks.Tags are also set upfor acertain unit, not statewide.
We can shoot all the does we want until theextraantlerless tags are used up which is set by the G & FDept. It is ona first come, first serve basis after thelottery drawings. You are not limited to the number you can buy. I could buy 1000's of extraantlerless tags until they are gone. [&:] These tags are also set up for a certain unit but I canbuy tagsin any unit.
Our archery tag is good for any deer ( resident ). Statewide.
As long as the Fish and Game Dept manage the deer population properly, which they are, we have it prettygood.
Tim
I voted for the last choice, you shoot what you want as long as it is legal. Like Schultzy... it really depends on your area but also how the Game & Fish Department manage the deer population.
We don't need a manditory antler restriction with our Lottery System. We actually have adecent aged buck population. Alot of hunters are holding out for older bucks. Granted it is 2.5 and 3.5 year olds now verses 1.5 year olds when I first came. You sure can't complain. Manditory antler restrictions basically protect 1.5 year old bucks and not all of them. Nothing would really be gained byAR. A headache not needed if someone shot a spike or forky by accident which happens.
Our 2.5 weekGeneral Season is alottery drawfor bucks. Our state is broken up into manyunits and the buck tag is just for that unit. It isn't good state wide.
The 2.5 week Muzzle loading Season is lottery draw for bucks.Tags are also set upfor acertain unit, not statewide.
We can shoot all the does we want until theextraantlerless tags are used up which is set by the G & FDept. It is ona first come, first serve basis after thelottery drawings. You are not limited to the number you can buy. I could buy 1000's of extraantlerless tags until they are gone. [&:] These tags are also set up for a certain unit but I canbuy tagsin any unit.
Our archery tag is good for any deer ( resident ). Statewide.
As long as the Fish and Game Dept manage the deer population properly, which they are, we have it prettygood.
Tim
How does Iowa--a state with a fraction of the deer habitat contained in many other prime whitetail states--maintain such a record? While several factors obviously contribute, arguably the most significant is also the simpliest:They don't hunt bucks with firearms until after the rut is over".
If that isn't a mouthful!
The article credits IDNR biologist and whitetail specialist Lee Gladfelter who helped establish the Iowa deer program and who..."looked around at neighboring states where rifle hunting begins in peak rutting time and saw that most of their bucks were getting cropped off every year. He didn't want us to go that route, and I think he was very wise."
There's another segment on the importance of gun season timing. It mentions Minnesota and how Minnesota once lead the nation in B&C bucks, but how that reputation is now historical. Because in 1974, after several severe Winters devestated northern herds, the Minnesota DNR implemented a season structure that emphasized buck harvest meant to protect does and to grow the herd. Basically, MN's large numbers of mature bucks has never recovered from that decision 30 years ago.
This quote from Minnesota about Iowa is telling...
"(Iowas) have longer, more varied seasons than we do. Their success rates are much higher than ours often double. They harvest a higher percentage of their herd, thereby controlling the herd more effectively. They distribute their hunting pressure more evenly, providing a higher quality hunt. And they produce far more trophy bucks. This is all done in a smaller state, with fewer deer and a fraction of the habitat (than Minnesota)."
12-19-2007 | 08:57 AM
#29
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 9,445
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From: Central Minnesota
RE: Where is your middle ground
ORIGINAL: TeeJay
They dont have their mass slaughter during the peak of the rut!
They dont have their mass slaughter during the peak of the rut!
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
You guys are an up coming state in P@Y monster bucks! The last few years i've seen alot of big bucks taken in the Dakota's, more so in ND. I plan on making a trip out there possibly even next year and give it a try on some of your big guys. Kudo's to what ever you guys did to get what you have now for big bucks! The funny thing is I don't think anyone thinks of ND for having big bucks! Thats perfectly fine to me and to you i'm sure!
ORIGINAL: TJF
I voted for the last choice, you shoot what you want as long as it is legal. Like Schultzy... it really depends on your area but also how the Game & Fish Department manage the deer population.
We don't need a manditory antler restriction with our Lottery System. We actually have adecent aged buck population. Alot of hunters are holding out for older bucks. Granted it is 2.5 and 3.5 year olds now verses 1.5 year olds when I first came. You sure can't complain. Manditory antler restrictions basically protect 1.5 year old bucks and not all of them. Nothing would really be gained byAR. A headache not needed if someone shot a spike or forky by accident which happens.
Our 2.5 weekGeneral Season is alottery drawfor bucks. Our state is broken up into manyunits and the buck tag is just for that unit. It isn't good state wide.
The 2.5 week Muzzle loading Season is lottery draw for bucks.Tags are also set upfor acertain unit, not statewide.
We can shoot all the does we want until theextraantlerless tags are used up which is set by the G & FDept. It is ona first come, first serve basis after thelottery drawings. You are not limited to the number you can buy. I could buy 1000's of extraantlerless tags until they are gone. [&:] These tags are also set up for a certain unit but I canbuy tagsin any unit.
Our archery tag is good for any deer ( resident ). Statewide.
As long as the Fish and Game Dept manage the deer population properly, which they are, we have it prettygood.
Tim
I voted for the last choice, you shoot what you want as long as it is legal. Like Schultzy... it really depends on your area but also how the Game & Fish Department manage the deer population.
We don't need a manditory antler restriction with our Lottery System. We actually have adecent aged buck population. Alot of hunters are holding out for older bucks. Granted it is 2.5 and 3.5 year olds now verses 1.5 year olds when I first came. You sure can't complain. Manditory antler restrictions basically protect 1.5 year old bucks and not all of them. Nothing would really be gained byAR. A headache not needed if someone shot a spike or forky by accident which happens.
Our 2.5 weekGeneral Season is alottery drawfor bucks. Our state is broken up into manyunits and the buck tag is just for that unit. It isn't good state wide.
The 2.5 week Muzzle loading Season is lottery draw for bucks.Tags are also set upfor acertain unit, not statewide.
We can shoot all the does we want until theextraantlerless tags are used up which is set by the G & FDept. It is ona first come, first serve basis after thelottery drawings. You are not limited to the number you can buy. I could buy 1000's of extraantlerless tags until they are gone. [&:] These tags are also set up for a certain unit but I canbuy tagsin any unit.
Our archery tag is good for any deer ( resident ). Statewide.
As long as the Fish and Game Dept manage the deer population properly, which they are, we have it prettygood.
Tim
12-19-2007 | 10:26 AM
#30
Dominant Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 26,274
Likes: 0
From: land of the Lilliputians, In the state of insanity
RE: Where is your middle ground
Cant answer that. It all depends on population density as to what deers you can take. And for antler restrictions, ive seen that ruin a hunting area. All the nice bucks that meet the minimal spred is taken, leveing freak fork horns to breed. Looks good on paper, but in practice its counter productive.