Atlas.....

Yours and AE's situations are similar in the same respect as Richard M. Nixon and FDR were both US Presidents.

This has nothing to do with Jeff. I'm sick of people making us out like twins. We are too very distinct individuals. I have many friends on this messageboard including Jeff what I don't see is the garbage that is layed down to all of them. AND I've said it before and I'll say it again, that rule did not stem from an individual action. Unfortunately your were one of 3 that I knew of, now one of 4 so your individual pity party is unjustified. Your simply lumping my feelings in with Jeffs.

And I might add, Jeff nor I were the very first ones to point that out and question it. I'd have to dig that thread out but I believe GR8 said what's up with that in the thread or actually started a new one. You shoot a great buck in Sept and we hear nothing.....you shoot your NY buck and we get a fanstastic story about it. BAM next day, oh by the way here's my contest buck from 2 months ago.

Again, At that point I already knew of 2 others and yours was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. I don't care if you did or did not do anything wrong. Admit to us atlas, that was odd wasn't it? We still know nothing of your Sept buck but have a great story of your Nov buck. That's all but it really is none of our business right.

Your honesty was never in question, what you did was honest, you shot an honest buck in Sept, you shot an honest buck in Nov, you were honest about shooting the buck in Sept, you were honest about shooting the buck in Nov. You were honest and entered your first buck. Not a question at all about honesty. Perhaps there was a question about motive but that does not question your honesty because you did nothing dishonest.

Am I wrong about that?

They are speaking about the entire state Rob............their have always been big bucks taken in PA and many on state land.............they don't see any major change in that frequency after the AR's. What they did say is that the bottom end of the bucks killed is now higher (6's vs spikes and forks before).......yet they qualify that with their being way fewer deer out there because EVERYTHING gets hammered now that deer sightings are so down.


What else was I supposed to say??..........that IS the real truth that I experienced in PA this year.


I'm not saying you are wrong Rob.........what I am saying is your opinion differs dramatically from what I heard from many other guys in PA this year..........1 vs 50+.........you are the minority in my talks with PA guys, not the other way around.


I don't really care either way.............my experience with PA guys this year tells me the picture being painted by some is not reality globally across the state............and especially on public land. If you don't want to believe all the guys I spoke with then so be it.........I have no reason to believe they don't know what is going on in their woods that they have hunted their whole lives.

Wow another EXTREMELY off topic ramble....[:@]

I've heard it too many times. I truly hate when rifle season rolls around in PA. I'll quote my wife, one day during the season we were coming home. An orange army lined the road ready for a drive, as we drive by on a state road, I slow as to not speed by anyone and we are gauked at like we're doing something wrong. My wife says " I think it's wrong that they are standing on the road". I say honey, it's legal. She says I don't care, it's ugly and they look at us like we're wrong. I said that's the mentality of the orange army. At the end of that road there are two stop signs...both have bullet holes in them. [&:]

But I digress and that's for another thread I suppose.

Some of you guys are like a couple of kids in the back seat of a car. "He touched me"- "No I didn't"
"He keeps staring at me"- "No I'm Not".

"He said this ...he said that....this is what I meant"

Its obvious some of you don't like each other. So, don't sit near each other!Grow the HELL up!

Sorry about not even responding to the original post. I forgot what it was all about. [:@]

I cannot disagree that the deer numbers are down in PA. That's HR and it needs to be more micromanaged, like say state land. More tags for doe on private land, less on public land where deer numbers are down. AR's have increased the number of bucks though the doe numbers are down. I'm betting they are anequating (sp) numbers with the herd, not just buck sightings. I would also agree that the bottom end of bucks being killed is higher, 6's vs spikes and forks but doesn't that say that more bucks are being killed, ie the buck numbers are up. And to think if it were going to a 4 point per side rule, then the lower end bucks 8 points would be the bucks being killed...well that and "Rob" bucks..LOL

Well, you could have easily explained that, that's not what your hearing from a based number of hunters hunting public land in PA and perhaps not, "Go to PA and find the real truth". Your not lying but perhaps you don't know what the real truth is right? Your know what was pertained to you...perhaps neither of us nor your 50plus people know the real truth...and even more perhaps is that the real truth differents per area....I'd find that to be the real truth.

thank you.......yes, what I've experienced, read, saw and heard differs from what your 50 plus are saying. And yes, I am 1 vs 50 but basing my 1 opinion, more accurately, my observation is based on the masses and I wonder what those 50 base their opinion on and how it could differ so greatly?

This year differs greatly from previous years too based solely on the impairment of the weather. The first two days of rifle when the majority of bucks are usually killed due to vacations, shut downs etc...the weather was horrible, nothing moved, deer nor man and I'm hearing the same conclusions however, the two week season as whole is based on success's I've seen, and both archery and rifle through the state and seasons.

In this discussion I don't believe atlas nor myself need to "grow up". It's a healthy debate with no name calling, so unless your not refering to our particular conversation, I'd like to know your intention with this post.

If not us however, I do agree with some of what you say and I've seen it in many posts throughtout the forums.

Rob..........I'm not the only one saying it. Take that for what it's worth to you.


Why were your replies to AE's thread full of praise and congrats with no mention of the above.........but you felt the need to point it out in my success threads??.............in fact, did you point it out in anyone else's threads but mine?


You were the only 2 saying anything.


WRONG..........your comment was the first in my thread which I posted with my Sept buck because my team wanted me to post a score..........I tried to avoid confusion and was repaid with snide remarks implying I was waiting on a bigger buck.


EXACTLY...........becauseI was done..........I had filled my tag in NY and could finally relax. I don't live and die with this place Rob and I don't run to the phone to make sure HNI knows I killed something. You have no idea what changed in my life this year and how hectic my fall was balancing work and hunting. You chose to assume a negative stance of skepticism...........why, I don't know.


Yet you felt the need to imply it


You would have the story by now Rob..........if you hadn't done what you did. This year I made changes in my life that allowed me to hunt a lot and even travel a few different places. My plan was to post ALL my experiences together in a season summary instead of piecing 10 different threads together. Because of the petty reaction I got from you guys I don't know if I will ever post it now........I mean, what for??.......so Jeff can pick it apart and look for some small detail to try and ruin it or lesson it in some way?? Why bother?........I mean, he has already implied I was in Canada shooting over bait piles and he doesn't even know the story.



YES...........if you are implying that I was sitting inNY waiting and hoping for a bigger buckto walk by so I could kill it and enter thatone instead of the Sept buck then that is a dishonestthing to do. I did not do that and you KNOW it...........at least you should. To honestly say knowing me through this board for about 6 years that I was sitting in NY waiting for a 130" buck to stroll by is about the most rediculous thing I have ever heard of.

I am not gonna debate the global stupidity of the orange army..........but then again they are just a large sample of the population that happen to have guns. People in general arethe same way..........they just don't dress in such flashy colors.

I just have not ever seen someone say they wish there were better bucks out there and keep shooting little ones. The guys that drill small bucks are very happyto do just thatfrom what I have seen.............theyget miffed when they sit for 4 days straight without seeing a single deer but that is another story.

I have posted my fair share of small bucks and you never see a frown on my face.