Charlie, you certainly left out the most important part...

I read sneaky one way, perhaps incorrectly but it is what it is....your may claim that I was the first but I read it differently, perhaps incorrectly....obviously but again, it is what it is and my apology to atlas has nothing to do with you. So your point? I questioned his motive, not his integrity. Huge difference and who are you to say what I was questioning?

In my neck of the woods I have seen and heard this many, many times.

They are mostly all happy with the bucks that they shot otherwise it would have made no sense for them to shoot it.

I also get a bit frustrated from sitting 4+ days without seeing a single deer.... but hey, that's hunting. I keep trying.

For the most part, the guys that complain about not seeing any big ones and then shooting a small one, are gun only hunters ( I gun hunt also), there are a few bow hunters like this as well. Usually, these are the guys that don't have but a day or two to hunt, they know nothing about the deer they hunt or their behaviors. They seem to want to go out for about an hour and shoot a 150, like it's that easy.

There are many reasons for this mentality, like arm chair quarterbacks.

No time, just want to go out, see a big buck and shoot it.

If I don't shoot it someone else will.

The drive to hunt and see big bucks isn't there. There are more....

You can explain to these people what it takes to have and see more mature bucks, but whether they do something about it is up to them.

It's the same with any aspect of life, there are those that want success but find it easier to accept mediocrity and complain about it.

Those that work at it to try and succeed.

Those that can't change their situation through no fault of their own. These people may have the right to complain.

My poiint is the two others were obviosly kidding around and you took an uncalled for cheap shot.

This coming from someone that answers questions for GMMAT on a regular basis. Classic dude classic.

My point. You say something that you meant to say to stir up trouble then apoligize, That is a tatick Hillary Clinton uses.
There is no doubt that was the most important part for you.... I think the most important part of his post was that he appeared very happy Atlas shot a decent buck.

Spot on Greg. Same with the most of the hunters that I have come accross in PA that do pound the little bucks, because they have no patience. After they shoot one, they complain that there are no big bucks. There are, ARs have helped that, but "find it easier to accept mediocrity and complain about it. " Great post Greg

I didn't shoot a buck bow or gun this year nor did I last year. I have been seeing some nice ones the last few years. Saw my biggest on a new property I got permission on this year. Suppusedly the area gets a ton of pressure. I''l hunt this way but I''l congratulate the guy dragging out a 4 pt if he's happy with it.

Maybe they don't have the time to hunt you do, So now pounding little bucks in Pa is shooting legal 6 and 8 pts? What will be the next little bucks people don't want shot 110-124 inchers because they don't make P&Y?

A harmless question..........and NOTHING in all my PM's with buckeye would have me think he was implying I did something wrong.........and bloodcreek was my captain Rob......he is the one that asked me to post a score which I said I would and told him it wouldn't be the NY buck though.........he was happy as a teammate and captain. You came right out and said "If your NY buck was bigger which would we see?" Night and day to anyone else's statements..........and again I question why you felt the need to speak up in MY thread but no others........in AE's thread you had nothing but glowing comments and said you "couldn't wait" to enter his score........strikingly different then how you addressed my case...........thus my hypocrisy/double standard outlook.


Thank you..............Iwould ratherget no apology then one I had to ask for. I accept..........as shocked as I was when you did it, I am equally not surprised you are man enough to admit you were wrong.


Again...........a sincere thank you for clearing the air.

You obviously can't read or choose not to. I read it wrong and made an observation, it was read as a cheap shot, it is what it is and now with conversing with atlas, I apologized.

As I would do the same for many, many other friends that I have here on HNI when the "clique" is rallied for the sole purpose of attack that we see so many times it's really getting old. You guys are like pit bulls, when one gets a bite, they all want a bite. Oddly enough, in your last 100 posts you only step foot in the bowhunting forum to slam GMMAT and now question me. Hell of a obvious pattern there Charlie. Better run along and rally the others.



um...duh...that is the misread slam isn't it?

When hunting for mature bucks,the main ingredient is time. If you don't have the time.... don't complain.

As far as what is next, don't get carried away. No one is going to push for legislation to micro manage bucks by the inch!

Well that settles that. Good job men.