PA Hunter dies in fall
11-30-2007, 08:12 AM
#21
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
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RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
So Jeff: When you get pulled over at a checkpoint to see if you're seatbelted - you feel as if you're being "harassed?"
So yeah....I call it harrassment.
11-30-2007, 08:20 AM
#22
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,716
RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
This absolutely wouldn't bea law to protect Stupid People from themselves. This would protect the American Working Class from the mentally deficient who can't figure out that it's not smart to climb 30' up a tree in a windstorm without a harness.
Think about who bears the burden in these situations. It's NOT the victim. That's for sure.
To prove my point: I challenge any one of you to find me one instance of a treestand fall victim with a net worth of over 2 million dollars. Look at who is falling, and you'll see where the financial burden really lies. These are construction workers, millworkers, factory workers, salesmen, kids, retirees, etc...
When I think about a law, I think about two things: Who is the REAL victim at the end of the day? How much does it really cost?
I know 2 guys who have fallen. One has undergoneat least 2lumbar surgeries to repair degenerative tissues from his fall. Never worked again. Epidural injections every month. Hundreds of thousands in lifetime costs.
The second kid is a quadriplegic. Visiting nurses for the rest of his life, spinal trauma surgery, lifeflight, months in hospital/rehabilitation, secondary problems due to paralysis. Now has the mental capacity of an 8 year old. His lifetime healthcare bill will be in the millions by the time he hits 40.
Hunting is a privilege just like driving. So, if you think seatbelt laws are a good idea... Then logically, it only follows that you should likewise support a safety harness law.
Safety belt laws are not in place to protect the driver from himself. They're in place to protect insurers from outrageous medical costs and to open the door for law enforcement to establish probable cause.
Think about who bears the burden in these situations. It's NOT the victim. That's for sure.
To prove my point: I challenge any one of you to find me one instance of a treestand fall victim with a net worth of over 2 million dollars. Look at who is falling, and you'll see where the financial burden really lies. These are construction workers, millworkers, factory workers, salesmen, kids, retirees, etc...
When I think about a law, I think about two things: Who is the REAL victim at the end of the day? How much does it really cost?
I know 2 guys who have fallen. One has undergoneat least 2lumbar surgeries to repair degenerative tissues from his fall. Never worked again. Epidural injections every month. Hundreds of thousands in lifetime costs.
The second kid is a quadriplegic. Visiting nurses for the rest of his life, spinal trauma surgery, lifeflight, months in hospital/rehabilitation, secondary problems due to paralysis. Now has the mental capacity of an 8 year old. His lifetime healthcare bill will be in the millions by the time he hits 40.
Hunting is a privilege just like driving. So, if you think seatbelt laws are a good idea... Then logically, it only follows that you should likewise support a safety harness law.
Safety belt laws are not in place to protect the driver from himself. They're in place to protect insurers from outrageous medical costs and to open the door for law enforcement to establish probable cause.
11-30-2007, 08:28 AM
#23
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 7,208
RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
I’ve never looked at it from quick’s perspective. I don’t like gov’t regulation, but I also don’t like paying insurance and taxes.
Maybe the law should read that if you DON’T wear a harness, you must have sharp spikes around the base of your tree so that there are no costly medical bills?
Maybe the law should read that if you DON’T wear a harness, you must have sharp spikes around the base of your tree so that there are no costly medical bills?
11-30-2007, 08:28 AM
#24
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 4,679
RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
This absolutely wouldn't bea law to protect Stupid People from themselves. This would protect the American Working Class from the mentally deficient who can't figure out that it's not smart to climb 30' up a tree in a windstorm without a harness.
Think about who bears the burden in these situations. It's NOT the victim. That's for sure.
To prove my point: I challenge any one of you to find me one instance of a treestand fall victim with a net worth of over 2 million dollars. Look at who is falling, and you'll see where the financial burden really lies.
When I think about a law, I think about two things: Who is the REAL victim? How much does it really cost?
I know 2 guys who have fallen. One has undergoneat least 2lumbar surgeries to repair degenerative tissues from his fall. Never worked again. Epidural injections every month. Hundreds of thousands in lifetime costs.
The second kid is a quadriplegic. Visiting nurses for the rest of his life, spinal trauma surgery, lifeflight, months in hospital/rehabilitation, secondary problems due to paralysis. Now has the mental capacity of an 8 year old. His lifetime healthcare bill will be in the millions by the time he hits 40.
Hunting is a privilege just like driving. So, if you think seatbelt laws are a good idea... Then logically, it only follows that you should likewise support a safety harness law.
Safety belt laws are not in place to protect the driver from himself. They're in place to protect insurers from outrageous medical costs and to open the door for law enforcement to establish probable cause.
This absolutely wouldn't bea law to protect Stupid People from themselves. This would protect the American Working Class from the mentally deficient who can't figure out that it's not smart to climb 30' up a tree in a windstorm without a harness.
Think about who bears the burden in these situations. It's NOT the victim. That's for sure.
To prove my point: I challenge any one of you to find me one instance of a treestand fall victim with a net worth of over 2 million dollars. Look at who is falling, and you'll see where the financial burden really lies.
When I think about a law, I think about two things: Who is the REAL victim? How much does it really cost?
I know 2 guys who have fallen. One has undergoneat least 2lumbar surgeries to repair degenerative tissues from his fall. Never worked again. Epidural injections every month. Hundreds of thousands in lifetime costs.
The second kid is a quadriplegic. Visiting nurses for the rest of his life, spinal trauma surgery, lifeflight, months in hospital/rehabilitation, secondary problems due to paralysis. Now has the mental capacity of an 8 year old. His lifetime healthcare bill will be in the millions by the time he hits 40.
Hunting is a privilege just like driving. So, if you think seatbelt laws are a good idea... Then logically, it only follows that you should likewise support a safety harness law.
Safety belt laws are not in place to protect the driver from himself. They're in place to protect insurers from outrageous medical costs and to open the door for law enforcement to establish probable cause.
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11-30-2007, 08:29 AM
#25
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Michigan/Ohio
Posts: 11,682
RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
Well quick then where does it stop?
I agree with your point, but where does it stop? We might as well all just stay in our houses, because we might get hurt or die if we walk out. Wait I might die in my house. Should we have goverment inspect our houses so they are safe? Where does it stop?
I agree with your point, but where does it stop? We might as well all just stay in our houses, because we might get hurt or die if we walk out. Wait I might die in my house. Should we have goverment inspect our houses so they are safe? Where does it stop?
11-30-2007, 08:29 AM
#26
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 4,679
RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
I’ve never looked at it from quick’s perspective. I don’t like gov’t regulation, but I also don’t like paying insurance and taxes.
Maybe the law should read that if you DON’T wear a harness, you must have sharp spikes around the base of your tree so that there are no costly medical bills?
I’ve never looked at it from quick’s perspective. I don’t like gov’t regulation, but I also don’t like paying insurance and taxes.
Maybe the law should read that if you DON’T wear a harness, you must have sharp spikes around the base of your tree so that there are no costly medical bills?
11-30-2007, 08:31 AM
#27
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location:
Posts: 21,043
RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
Like I said, Fran....you need to go at it from adifferent angle. Law enforcement got the seatbelt checkpoints initiated to gain what was otherwise illegal entry into passenger vehicles. Teh "War on Drugs" crowd likely were the authors of this doctrine.
Maybe the insurance companies could lobby legislature to get "Dumbass hunter" checkpoints initiated ....so that WCO/GW's could harrass us, too, even on our own private land in our own trees.
Or....we could just make everyone accountable for themselves and have your guy pay for his healthcare or die.
There is no set remedy. Either way....we give up something.
Maybe the insurance companies could lobby legislature to get "Dumbass hunter" checkpoints initiated ....so that WCO/GW's could harrass us, too, even on our own private land in our own trees.
Or....we could just make everyone accountable for themselves and have your guy pay for his healthcare or die.
There is no set remedy. Either way....we give up something.
11-30-2007, 08:34 AM
#28
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 7,208
RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
Or....we could just make everyone accountable for themselves and have your guy pay for his healthcare or die.
11-30-2007, 08:38 AM
#30
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Central Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,313
RE: PA Hunter dies in fall
Wow. They should deffinatley make it a law to have to wear a saftey harness in your treestand, that way if its a rule a lot of people would rather wear one than have the risk of getting cought, no matter what the situation is.
Ryan.
Ryan.