Most of that kind of talk is just pissing in the wind. I bet100 bucks agianst a hole in adonute, that 200+ yards was actually 100- yards.

To me, a compound bow is not traditional. And any gun is not traditional. A recurve or long bow is traditional.

NOW we are down to it! What keeps bowhunters from shooting little bucks as well? Why is it that when people (you) think of gun vs bow hunting, you think of it as another trophy buck arguement. who are you to say someone shouldnt kill a 1.5 year old deer? i personally dont, after my first buck when i was 11 or 12, but i cant tell someone else not too.

Basically, you have a passion for bowhunting, as does everyone in the bowhunting forum.You see a little buck some guy shot, and was happy with, but because it was by a gun and not a bow, it isnt ok for him to shoot it. or betteryet,You see big deer drop to a gun from 300 yards, get jealous, and declare that rifles are unfair to hunt with. Heck aint every weapon an unfair advantage? ive never seen a deer shoot back. . .

Heres a scenario, a guy heads out rifle hunting. a fully mature huge buck makes his way byhis stand at only 25 yards.he shoot him with his rifle, and kills a great buck. Is it fair for you to say that this guy didnt get the animal just as close and make just as ethical a shot as a bow hunter would have. didnt he accomplish the same thing when it comes to outwitting the bucks senses? why do some bowhunters(hopefully very few),such as yourself,view rifle hunters as gun toting hillbillys out there to kill every spike and forkhorn they can?

And what in the world does rifle hunting matter if your in alaska or deer hunting here in the lower 48? do the animals up there just have that much greater senses to where 300 yards is matching their senses? same scenario, but because it is in different environment than what you hunt, its ok? lol

He just is trying to get his popcorn post ....

The cool phrase of the day.

You say you support rifle hunters, but turn right around and say its not the "right way" to hunt. You get satisfaction from gettign close and taking them with your bow. Others get satisfaction from taking them with a well placed shot from a rifle, still others take satisfaction from seeing how far they can take one. It's all up to what the individual wants, as long as its legal. Same for the size of the game taken.

YOu also bring up "traditional" methods, well who gets to define that? Is it a bow/arrow, or a traditional bow arrow, alumunim/carbon arrows or cedar, nice bh or flint sharpened stones?

We all need to stop worrying about why others hunt and why they get satisfaction with it. F&G should be doing their job to protect/manage the game herd. If they are, we are all tools in that.

What about the old flintlocks, would you consider those guns not traditional?

I mostly bowhunt, but do occasionally take the rifle and muzzleloader out more than a couple times each year. But just because I do gun hunt doesnt mean that I'm taking long shots. Most shots are still within "bowrange", under 40 yards. To say that one form of hunting is any better or more ethical than another isn't right. Every hunter is entitled to any form they wish, as long as it is according to their local laws.

So....where to start?
I can only assume you were using a muzzle loader for this 160 yard shot. Was is a flintlock? If not, its only a brass case away from being a rifle and FAR from "traditional" hunting methods. Speaking of traditional hunting methods, what do you consider traditional? Your inline ML capable of 200 yard shots or a slug gun almost capable of the same? How far do you think the average rifle shot is?

I would consider tradional a recurve bow or a spear. Theres the challenge you are THRIVING for. Will you take that challenge? I doubt it.

Seems to me you are just stirring the pot.

I agree with many of the posts here...I only rifle hunt on opening day and then go back to bow...many of the deer that get taken on opening day aree ones I pass on during bow season...I do not get any enjoyment out of the rifle but know people who do...if they only tried a bow?

Dave

Yes, tradional gun. I was just staying in the bounds of this forum, a bow forum. I do like flint locks. Havent made one in years, and quit hunting with them years ago. Why, I dont know, just lost interest. But they are fun to make and really cool to take an animal with.