Silent,

Quote:"My next question is, if the non-bowhunting world is supposed to know whether or not this was a routine shot wouldn't a bowhunter in training know it also?"

I'll ask you this. Would you be showing this to the "bowhunters in training"?

What do you say to little Jonny's question?



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Nope! I am not recommending that anyone go out and take 70 shots. What I am recommending is that everyone know their limitations and that they stay within those limitations and then take personal responsibilty for them. It would be unethical for me to shoot at a whitetail at 40 yards but for others it would not. I can say with a great degree of certainty that George can hit the 10 ring more consistently at 70 yards than I can at 25 yards. Regardless of anyones opinion the man took a shot he knew he could hit and then he did exactly that. Ask Chuck Adams how many of his animals have been taken at 50 + yards.

Now let me ask you, do think that a child assumes that it is safe to go out an flip a car because he saw it on TV. However, it is perfectly safe for a stunt man to do so. Everyone has to learn at some point that there is a double standard in life. Just because you see someone else do something doesn't mean that you can do it too. That's is why most of watch football on Sunday instead of play.

PS If anyone outthere is planning on their kids learning the Do's and dont's from a bowhunter ed class they are sadly mistaken. Just like most everything else in the world the way you learn to be a "Bowhunter" is through experience and if you're lucky a good teacher.

Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."

Silent,

I'm not trying to hammer you but you just don't get it. Maybe Mr. World Class can hit a ticks ass at a hundred yards 10 out of 10 times, but it aint gonna happen if the tick moves his arse. get it?

Kids should learn their skills and limitations as though go. Part of that is Hunter Education Programs. You make it sound as if these programs are a waste of time.

Still waiting for an answer: What do you say to little Johnny's question.



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Bullhound,

I am not trying to hammer you either but I do get it. If "if and buts were cherries and nuts everyday would be christmas". The same thing is true if you are shooting at 30 yards as if you are shooting at 70yds, if they move they move. There is an inherent risk built in. Most studies have shown that most animals duck and arrow in reaction to the noise. The further the animal is from the shooter the less chance of them reacting. That being said, if they decide to take a step it isn't going to matter whether they are 35 or 65. You are taking about an arrow taking .072 seconds to cover 70 yards, a caribou ain't exactly covering a football field in .072 seconds.

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I would tell Johnny that Mr. Dixon is one of the best archers in the world and that most people wouldn't be able to shoot that far. It is important to never shoot farther than you can consistently hit your target. It is important to practice your shooting and judging distance and never shoot at an animal that is farther than you practice. All good hunters set personal limits on how far they will shoot at an animal. My personal huting limit is 35 yards. Most young archers should set their limit for 15 yards and not go hunting until you can hit a target the size of a pie plate 8 out of 10 times at that distance. As you get better you move your target back to 20 yards and when you can hit the target 8 out of 10 times you set your hunting limit for 20 yards. As you get better you extend your personal hunting limit. There are a lot of other variables that decide how far you should shoot at an animal. First, you should have a good clear shot at the animal. You should never shoot at an animal that is obstructed by brush or anything else. Second, [ insert discussion on body postion]. Third, [ insert discussion on learning an animals body language and waiting until they are relaxed]

If I were teaching a class I am sure I would refine my technique but this would be the basic speil.

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Silent,I think this is the 1'st time that I actually agree with you.For some reason people have this misconseption that it would take an arrow 2-3 seconds to cover that distance.This simply isn't true for most of todays equipment.

I would be willing to bet that on average that most deer that are shot at 10 yards or less will actually move more in reaction to the noise than a deer that is shot at 50 yards.


The vitals on a caribou are so big that even if it did take a step it is still a dead animal.

As far as George Dixon is concerned,he is an excellent shot but is someone that loves to be known,and loves the attention,that is why he took the shot and bragged about how far it was.


I totally disagree that bowhunting is about getting as close as possible.It is about getting out in nature and getting a shot at an animal.If that shot is 10 yards or 70,so be it.As long as you are capable of making a clean shot at whatever distance you decide to shoot.The biggest mistake would be not knowing your limitations and sticking to them.

.07 seconds?????

70 yds is 210 feet

even a fast setup will average 240-250 fps over 70 yds

An animal has almost a full second to move with even fast bows.

I can cover over 15 FEET if I hustle from a stand still in one second

An animal can easily move enough to cause a real bad hit or miss from 70yds without even knowing you were there.

There comes a point where it has nothing to do with personal limitations. There is an inherent limitation to our sport. I know that when I launch a perfect arrow heading dead for the "x" at 70 yds, and one step causes a 3 ft miss I have Crossed the line.

George crossed it, anyone that takes that shot has crossed it.

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Well a whitetail can move enough for a 3ft miss or a bad hit from 15 yards so I guess you better hang it up! If that is your criteria, &quot;becasue the animal could have moved&quot;, then we better all hang it up because we all face that chance every time we release an arrow! Personally, I think a nonshalant Caribou @ 70 yrds (that couldn't of herd the bow go off if it had been attached to a bull horn) is as safe a shot as a wired whitetail @ 15 yrds. However, everyone here would have released on the wired whitetail.

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

Edited by - silentassassin on 01/21/2003 07:14:49

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that the whole point to practicing was to get better, and therefore extend our effective range to the maximum of our potential.

If the top of my game is a 70 yard shot with tough wind, why not? I read somewhere of Howard Hill (or maybe it was Saxton Pope) shooting a running whitetail at 90 yards with a longbow, and I know Pope and Young took 80 yard shots on African hunts. What about Ben Pearson shooting ducks out of the air? Fred Bear's &quot;hardest shot&quot; was on a sheep that was partly obstructed by a rock, and Fred only pulled the bow a quarter of his full draw so the arrow would drop far enough once passing over the rock to hit the sheep (sorry I'm not as good of a writer as he was to paint the picture better).

There have been many people capable of making ethical long shots. These guys were archery legends, why can't this generation have it's bowhunting legends? It's not for the average guy, but I think most people get that. You may say &quot;they shouldn't show it on tv because some novice will think it's ok to do it himself&quot;, but why hide thier skill? If these guys were making wounding animals it would be different, but they are making ethical kills here. Nothing to be ashamed of, and nothing the anti's can use against the sport. If someome decides that they can make 90 yard shots just by watching a show, then shame on them, but it's not the person on the video's fault that stupid people may watch the show. Ok, off my soap box now.

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