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What else were you looking for??


The chemical smell is................dirt. Are you having trouble following this?


Yes........it works great. It does EXACTLY what it claims to do. You twist the nossle and spray it on whatever you want to smell like dirt.

I don't know why this is hard for you to grasp.


This is as far as you got before you stopped making sense.

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I just have a hard time believing (carte blanche) one scientist over another (________).

I guess we ought to just have a scent-lok ..to the death...grudge match. 3 falls with a 2 hour time limit.....man with most initials behind his name gets to name the lab they duke it out at. Winner gets to take a dump in the other's car and he can choose to wear the scentlok or not .....but he has to jump in bed with his wife immediately when he gets home.

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Your not serious.......................are you?

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Obviously..I am. You seem to have researched this topic. You've been a nay-sayer for a long time. But now it sounds as if "it can work" from your standpoint, it's just being done wrong!

Am I asking for something, that you can't provide? Are you trying to get something on the market? If you have the knowledge that you seem to hint at ..it sounds like your sitting on a million $$ Idea.

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So you have a way to reactivate a cabon suit(your Design). I do not want to how, LOL

I am just curious if you tried to sell to ScentLok or Blocker?

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I think carbon is a dead man walking in the hunting world..........the market will soon change. If I am wrong and it doesn't I may get in touch with them. However it is my belief that the carbon companies will be the ones leading the charge away from carbon as more become aware of it's limitations in this field (look at this thread for example vs a couple years ago). They see the handwriting on the wall. I have no doubts that they will be just fine as they latch onto and promote the "next best thing".

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Next best thing is what???

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I agree with you on Carbon being dead, but you may contact them? You have not already?

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The military is engaged in searching for economical ways to reactivate their chem suits so they don't have to dispose of them and have apparently had some success. You can't access the full document on the net, but here is the abstract for methods of reactivating activated carbon clothing.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm fresh out of i-propynol iodine, methylene chloride, methanol and ultrasonic transducers, and who knows what the non-aqueous solvent was that they used. Odd that clothes dryers don't appear on the list, huh. ;)

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Not can't..........won't.



Lord no.


Maybe I am.............the biggest problem with that is having a solution is only the start.........it must be practical to produce, market and sell or it doesn't matter.

Inhaled insulin hit the market this year.........they have had this technology for a long time. It hit the market this year because someone FINALLY developed a way to make it profitable.

That's a messy world.

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Who knows??

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So let get this straight.

A Carbon suit with the Atlas design

Could be used and reactivated

You have not contacted Nick from ScentLok at all?

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Fair question!

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I have spoken to him informally..........this was probably last year sometime.


He is a nice guy.............he didn't like some of my posts but he seems pretty cool.

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You're gettin' a little carried away now..............where was this yesterday when you flamed out 3 pages short on your called shot :eek:

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Someone please hand me some shades. The lightbulb in my head is getting brighter and brighter.:D

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Isthis silver lining effective??

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No, my friend, the chemical smell, to you, is dirt. But the "fact" that deer can break down scents to so many parts per million more than you, let's me know that they probably can smell way more in that "compound than you can. Are you having trouble following that?

Dirt to you, chemical compound to deer. With added ingredients for preservation and freshness. Now what part of this are we not grasping?

Sense is not the issue. It's Scents. Now, if cover scents and scent killers work to a degree. To a degree I said. Pay attention son.I say,I say,pay attention. Then to what degree does Scentlok work?Some? Not at all? A little? A lot? You see, if the rest of the products even work a little you will use it or try it. If they don't, then you won't try it because you have no faith in it or do not "believe" in it. This is the sense part. If it works to an extent, it may help. If it does not work to any extent, it is garbage. Scentlok has not been proven beyond a doubt, that it does not work to any extent.

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don't think you need it can be a added bonus tho

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That would have been cheating, I had faith in you;)

So first you said you may have contacted scentLok, now we see you did, but it was informal.

I would think they would have jumped at it. Nick is a nice guy, I hope you were all business when you contacted them and did not say "What is it worth to you guys" or something like that;)

There it is Atlas knows how to reactivate carbon suit. So the Science is Scentlok is a bust, but the Science of Atlas rocks;)

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Well Atlas, as usual you have reduced the discussion to insulting someone's intelligence. But I forgot , you "ARE ALL THAT".

[qoute]archer, your lack of understanding in this arena is obvious. It makes having this discussion rather difficult."[quote/]

How do you know?

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You need to prove that to me.........and since you said "probably" I already know you can't ;)


Here ended the lesson.

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No.........I said, if the market remains I may contact them (as in the future)........Nick was unhappy with my posting and contacted me privately..........we discussed many things and had a nice conversation.



Never even came close to that level.

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Too bad you feel that way archer..........it was not my intention. There is a big difference between education and intelligence. I know nothing about engines and would not be able to have a very good conversation with a mechanic..........that's all I meant.

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Intersting
Have a good one.

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atlas, you are obviously educated in the science of all this, and as a point of curiosity and not belittlement, what is your education in this matter? I think you've posted that in one of these debates before, but I can't recall.

And again, as a point of interest and NOT belittlement, I ask you to prove why it doesn't work.

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Believe it or not mo..........I really don't feel like retyping all that crap right now. I am gonna go to Gander and grab some arrows or something because I have been sitting here typing in the hopes it would stop raining so I could go shoot but it doesn't look good. I'm sure this will be pages longer by the time I get back so at least you will know I wasn't ignoring you.

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I don't think it's a must....and I don't think it works at all. Carbon will absorb oder, this has been scientifically proved so I feel the carbon suits work at first but are probably full by the time you or I buy them. Getting them re-activated or re-generated (same thing) is where I FEEL the general public is misled.

Read Arthur P's post and you will see that this very problem is trying to be tackled by the U.S. government for our troops. They are dealing with the same stuff...Activated Carbon.....and they are having trouble re-activating/re-generating them so what makes you think you can do it in your dryer?

I guess the military should just contact Scent-lok and be done with it...problem solved.:eek::eek::eek:

Until someone can prove to me that the suits can be re-generated/re-activated back to a usable state I won't waste my money on it.

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That's cool atlas....In fact, if you've done that before and can find the link, just post up the link dude.....That's good enough.

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I'd like to add a point in regards to the carbon that the military is using.
In a few of the military articles I came across, a reference was made to the amount of carbon being used. The military uses much more carbon than you would find in a SL suit. I remember a thickness of 1/4" being referenced.
The military uses carbon to keep chemical warefare agents "OUT" and is not trying to adsorb an odor from within. The uses are of an obvious difference. As such, I would think the re-activation process necessary would be dramatically different. Logic would dictate that it takes alot more heat/regeneration processes to work on a 1/4" of carbon than a thin layer that is in SL. That being said, keep in mind that SL is not trying to adsorb a deadly chemical agent..... Unless you ate suicide wings the night before.

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Oh so now atlas has a better sniffer than the deer. Next you will be telling me you can see better too. If anyone needs to prove to you that deer can smell even 10 times better than you, you have a serious malfunction of the old cerebral cortex my friend.

Oh and by the way, there never was a lesson. You read that on your own.

LT

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I understand the purpose of the carbon suits the military uses........the concept is the same and the main ingredient is as well, activated carbon. The re-activation/re-generation process is also the same, so is the rate of absorption (all things being equal) and so is the fact that once absorbed it stops functioning as it should (this is the problem the military is trying to deal with).

Again, I never said the scent blocking suits don't absorb scent, they do....But what happens once they are full? I have yet so see scientific proof that they can be re-activated/re-generated (same thing) in a home dryer ENOUGH to be useful again.

Until then, I'm not buying it.

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This is the exact issue thatthe labtesting addressed. Is it not scientific enough?

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tt

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I am one of those guys that if i had the money to just throw into a scen-lok/blocker suit i probably would just because i would feel that i had an edge. Will i buy one now.....not in the near future. Like i said if i had the money to burn i would....but i would not rely 100% on that alone.

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Absolutely NOT. It is overrated and I myself have shot more deer without it than with it. For one, it is way OVERPRICED. Remember, majority of guys on TV get it for FREE and it is normally a sponsor. Save your money and invest it in your equipment such as a good bow/broadheads/etc. As long as you wash them with scent free soap OR even baking soda and keep them in a plastic tub; get dressed in the field and still hunt the wind you do not need scent lock ..IF you have it you STILL need to hunt the wind. Dont get caught up EVERY thing that is brought to the market place.

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Perfect example of what I meant when I said you just don't understand.

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Not even close to what I said..........you need to read slower.


See above...........figure it out and get back to me.


Man, you are clueless.

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Well first off I would like to know how to import an emoticon. There is another site that I visit regularly that has a smiley head with a stick in it's hand beating a horse that is laying on the ground. Pretty funny actually.

Now to relate two first hand experiences:

First on how important the wind is..... i was on a hog hunt in Brady, TXsitting in a ground blind fashioned out of tree limbs that formedthe blind on two sides, a tree(read tall bush...remember it is texas) formed the third side. It was roughly 80+ degrees out and high humidity, with an occasional breeze. I had a doe walk out of the trees from upwind, to within 10 ft of me. She passed right in front of my blind, so close i was tempted to touch her. She then stood looking at the feeder that i was hunting for a good 5 minutes. The wind was gently blowing but in the right direction. Once the wind changed and she got a whiff of me you would have swore thatI stuck her with a hot poker, she must have jumped 10 ft in the air and hauled a$$.

Second topic is about my experience with the chemical suits that the military uses. Up until 2-3 years ago the suits that the military used were only good for less than 24 hrs once they had been removed from thier sealed packaging. They consisted of a charcoal layer that was btwn 1/8 - 1/4 inch thick and it was a solid layer of charcoal. Trust me on this as i tore one of them apart because i was going to have to wear it for 12+ hrs and didn't want to sweat to death (for an exercise). The new suits are reusable and can be washed in a normal washer and reused in a chemical environment. If that technology is good enough for a chemical environment then as long as the product put out for commercial use is 90 percent of that level then maybe it is worth a try. i cannot say how good Scentlok is, I am going to try it though this year and more importantly I am going to hunt with the wind when I can. jm2c

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Proven Effective Just For Folks Like You atlasman. If you really wanna get close to the spikers, this should do it.


LT (By the way I have the patent on this suit so don't get any ideas)