QDMA What don't you like
06-12-2007 | 09:37 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
HuntingBry,
QDM does not set its goal at a 1:1 ratio.
Based on Deer Management 101, an ideal herd is logically 1:1, but QDM recognizes that, as you said, this would result in a small deer herd and less sightings, therefore less hunting satisfaction. So the book says that a common target is often a 2:1 doe to buck ratio. In most places the ratio is now at 3 or 4 or more to 1 due to overhunting bucks.
The book does talk about trophy management, which shoots for 1:1 or even a reverse ratio. You want all your nutrients going to the bucks and it makes the rut super intense, etc. But this was beyond basic QDM and is for places that can absolutely control their herd (fences) and have a lot of time and money.
HuntingBry, read your post on the other QDM thread and agree with what you are saying. The biologists would prefer 1:1, but need the hunter (the "trigger"), so they try to keep them happy with higher ratios.
QDM does not set its goal at a 1:1 ratio.
Based on Deer Management 101, an ideal herd is logically 1:1, but QDM recognizes that, as you said, this would result in a small deer herd and less sightings, therefore less hunting satisfaction. So the book says that a common target is often a 2:1 doe to buck ratio. In most places the ratio is now at 3 or 4 or more to 1 due to overhunting bucks.
The book does talk about trophy management, which shoots for 1:1 or even a reverse ratio. You want all your nutrients going to the bucks and it makes the rut super intense, etc. But this was beyond basic QDM and is for places that can absolutely control their herd (fences) and have a lot of time and money.
HuntingBry, read your post on the other QDM thread and agree with what you are saying. The biologists would prefer 1:1, but need the hunter (the "trigger"), so they try to keep them happy with higher ratios.
06-12-2007 | 09:45 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
I think QDMA is better compared to religion or belief, not a set of rigid rules. If you believe in it (have faith in it), then you will (or should) act accordingly. Put your faith into action so to speak. If you make it just an endless series of rules imposed on people who don't believe in it, you will breed resentment/rebellion.
06-12-2007 | 10:14 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: LebeauHunter
HuntingBry,
QDM does not set its goal at a 1:1 ratio.
Based on Deer Management 101, an ideal herd is logically 1:1, but QDM recognizes that, as you said, this would result in a small deer herd and less sightings, therefore less hunting satisfaction. So the book says that a common target is often a 2:1 doe to buck ratio. In most places the ratio is now at 3 or 4 or more to 1 due to overhunting bucks.
The book does talk about trophy management, which shoots for 1:1 or even a reverse ratio. You want all your nutrients going to the bucks and it makes the rut super intense, etc. But this was beyond basic QDM and is for places that can absolutely control their herd (fences) and have a lot of time and money.
HuntingBry, read your post on the other QDM thread and agree with what you are saying. The biologists would prefer 1:1, but need the hunter (the "trigger"), so they try to keep them happy with higher ratios.
HuntingBry,
QDM does not set its goal at a 1:1 ratio.
Based on Deer Management 101, an ideal herd is logically 1:1, but QDM recognizes that, as you said, this would result in a small deer herd and less sightings, therefore less hunting satisfaction. So the book says that a common target is often a 2:1 doe to buck ratio. In most places the ratio is now at 3 or 4 or more to 1 due to overhunting bucks.
The book does talk about trophy management, which shoots for 1:1 or even a reverse ratio. You want all your nutrients going to the bucks and it makes the rut super intense, etc. But this was beyond basic QDM and is for places that can absolutely control their herd (fences) and have a lot of time and money.
HuntingBry, read your post on the other QDM thread and agree with what you are saying. The biologists would prefer 1:1, but need the hunter (the "trigger"), so they try to keep them happy with higher ratios.
Personally, I don't think it is realistic to hope for a 1:1 ratio and a herd within the carrying capacity. Whitetails are tenacious survivors and adaptable to so many environments that they are bound to overpopulate without herd management. Sounds like another species I can think of.
06-12-2007 | 10:23 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: _Dan
That's where some opponents of QDM show their short sightedness. They think its about reducing the population this year and not next year and the year after. You can't do that shooting young bucks. Plus true QDM, as has been said here before, is about better buck to doe ratios. How do you accomplish this while shooting young bucks?
IMO people who do not believe in QDM, maybe not the QDMA, are selfish and living for themselves now, not the future and the betterment of the herd.
"Just because you can do something, doesn'tmean its a good idea."
That's where some opponents of QDM show their short sightedness. They think its about reducing the population this year and not next year and the year after. You can't do that shooting young bucks. Plus true QDM, as has been said here before, is about better buck to doe ratios. How do you accomplish this while shooting young bucks?
IMO people who do not believe in QDM, maybe not the QDMA, are selfish and living for themselves now, not the future and the betterment of the herd.
"Just because you can do something, doesn'tmean its a good idea."
Are we bettering the ratio or are we saving habitat?
Or both?
Its not about the horns..........
And as for living for "me" you hit that outta the park. Unlike many I havepurchased habitat and spend every day making it better for the deer .
I believe better habit, not less deer is the answer. We do not have that many deer in "North Western PA" that they are shoot on sight .We have great habitat and I strive to make mine the best it can be.
If you feel the need to kill ever deer that crosses your path ,enjoy ,I myself do not feel the need in my woods.
Did I mention its not about the 140's -150's .....
06-12-2007 | 10:31 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
What you describe about having better habitat is a partQDM.
QDM does not = less deer for some areas, I do not undestand why some get stuck on that point.
Your area might be well below
As far more habitat not going to happen. Only thing I know for sure is there will be less land to hunt deer on 10 years from now[
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.QDM does not = less deer for some areas, I do not undestand why some get stuck on that point.
Your area might be well below
As far more habitat not going to happen. Only thing I know for sure is there will be less land to hunt deer on 10 years from now[]
06-12-2007 | 10:36 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: Germ
What you describe about having better habitat is a partQDM.
QDM does not = less deer for some areas, I do not undestand why some get stuck on that point.
Your area might be well below As far more habitat not going to happen. Only thing I know for sure is there will be less land to hunt deer on 10 years from now[]
What you describe about having better habitat is a partQDM
.QDM does not = less deer for some areas, I do not undestand why some get stuck on that point.
Your area might be well below
As far more habitat not going to happen. Only thing I know for sure is there will be less land to hunt deer on 10 years from now[]
06-12-2007 | 10:40 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
You might, but what is around you is just as important
We have are own also, but one day we might be pinched out
Buying your land was really cool btw, and improving the habit is way cool also.
Have you ever talk to a Wildlife Biologist about your property?
We have are own also, but one day we might be pinched out
Buying your land was really cool btw, and improving the habit is way cool also.
Have you ever talk to a Wildlife Biologist about your property?
06-12-2007 | 10:48 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
So bawjim, you dont feel that having an age structure in your deer herd is morenatural than having a an age structure that is 90% 1.5 bucks, 8 % 2.5 bucks, and 2% 3.5 and up?