QDMA What don't you like
06-12-2007 | 09:02 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
You are very right about that...................and all most right about the secondone.
ORIGINAL: Germ
In a lot of places if guys would shoot 1 buck(any) for 1 doe things would be a lot better.
You are correct it has nothing to do with horns
In a lot of places if guys would shoot 1 buck(any) for 1 doe things would be a lot better.
You are correct it has nothing to do with horns
Jim he's been livinhere all of his life.
06-12-2007 | 09:02 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
You are very right about that...................and all most right about the secondone.
ORIGINAL: Germ
In a lot of places if guys would shoot 1 buck(any) for 1 doe things would be a lot better.
You are correct it has nothing to do with horns
In a lot of places if guys would shoot 1 buck(any) for 1 doe things would be a lot better.
You are correct it has nothing to do with horns
06-12-2007 | 09:06 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
If there were 30 bucks and 30 does in the herd I hunt.....you'd be right, bawana. I'd shoot one to one.
I likely have a LOT more does than bucks, though. Isn't the "ideal" a 1:1 ratio? Shouldn't that be what I should be striving for?
I don't give a rat's ass about being "fair" (i.e. taking 1:1). I want the ratio to be better.
If there were 30 bucks and 30 does in the herd I hunt.....you'd be right, bawana. I'd shoot one to one.
I likely have a LOT more does than bucks, though. Isn't the "ideal" a 1:1 ratio? Shouldn't that be what I should be striving for?
I don't give a rat's ass about being "fair" (i.e. taking 1:1). I want the ratio to be better.
See, that ought'a learn'ya...
06-12-2007 | 09:12 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
I think Baj has some good points and I want to hear them. I do not think QDMA thinks less of does I think they look at the big picture. If an area needs does shot, you shoot them.
Saying we need to shoot a lot of does is not showing a lack of respect for the animal. Shooting the deer and leaving it lay sure does.
Baj there are some very good deer managers who care nothing about antlers. There are guys who care only about antlers. Lumping them into one group is just not fair.
There are two good books I have read
Deer Management 101
Deer Wars(PA QDM plan)
Saying we need to shoot a lot of does is not showing a lack of respect for the animal. Shooting the deer and leaving it lay sure does.
Baj there are some very good deer managers who care nothing about antlers. There are guys who care only about antlers. Lumping them into one group is just not fair.
There are two good books I have read
Deer Management 101
Deer Wars(PA QDM plan)
06-12-2007 | 09:14 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
I have no problems with the QDMA. What I have a problem with is when hunters believe they are practicing QDM. Here is my post from the other thread, it says it all for me:
QDM is not practiced by hunters, no matter what they say because true QDM would result in a herd that is not necessarily in the hunters' best interests. QDM if successful would mean a herd that has a 1:1 buck to doe ratio and numbers that are not in excess of the carrying capacity of the land. This number oftentimes is frighteningly low to hunters and you would not see many deer or have many hunters with a herd like this.
Hunters are a tool used by biologists and conservation groups to practice QDM. The biologists have to walk a fine line because they want to do what is best for the herd and the habitat, but need the hunters in order to do that. If they were completely successful in their goal many hunters would lose interest andthe biologistswould no longer have them available as a management tool.
As a result of this the biologists have to do the best they can with the herd, while keeping the hunters happy. What does this mean? Enough does to keep meat in the freezer (usually a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio) and big antlered bucks, because, well, hunters like to decorate their walls.
So, is QDM about anter management? To a degree, yes, but that is only so the biologists don't lose their management tools (us) for regulating the herds.
Hunters are a tool used by biologists and conservation groups to practice QDM. The biologists have to walk a fine line because they want to do what is best for the herd and the habitat, but need the hunters in order to do that. If they were completely successful in their goal many hunters would lose interest andthe biologistswould no longer have them available as a management tool.
As a result of this the biologists have to do the best they can with the herd, while keeping the hunters happy. What does this mean? Enough does to keep meat in the freezer (usually a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio) and big antlered bucks, because, well, hunters like to decorate their walls.
So, is QDM about anter management? To a degree, yes, but that is only so the biologists don't lose their management tools (us) for regulating the herds.
06-12-2007 | 09:16 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
I have no problems with the QDMA. What I have a problem with is when hunters believe they are practicing QDM. Here is my post from the other thread, it says it all for me:
I have no problems with the QDMA. What I have a problem with is when hunters believe they are practicing QDM. Here is my post from the other thread, it says it all for me:
QDM is not practiced by hunters, no matter what they say because true QDM would result in a herd that is not necessarily in the hunters' best interests. QDM if successful would mean a herd that has a 1:1 buck to doe ratio and numbers that are not in excess of the carrying capacity of the land. This number oftentimes is frighteningly low to hunters and you would not see many deer or have many hunters with a herd like this.
Hunters are a tool used by biologists and conservation groups to practice QDM. The biologists have to walk a fine line because they want to do what is best for the herd and the habitat, but need the hunters in order to do that. If they were completely successful in their goal many hunters would lose interest andthe biologistswould no longer have them available as a management tool.
As a result of this the biologists have to do the best they can with the herd, while keeping the hunters happy. What does this mean? Enough does to keep meat in the freezer (usually a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio) and big antlered bucks, because, well, hunters like to decorate their walls.
So, is QDM about anter management? To a degree, yes, but that is only so the biologists don't lose their management tools (us) for regulating the herds.
Hunters are a tool used by biologists and conservation groups to practice QDM. The biologists have to walk a fine line because they want to do what is best for the herd and the habitat, but need the hunters in order to do that. If they were completely successful in their goal many hunters would lose interest andthe biologistswould no longer have them available as a management tool.
As a result of this the biologists have to do the best they can with the herd, while keeping the hunters happy. What does this mean? Enough does to keep meat in the freezer (usually a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio) and big antlered bucks, because, well, hunters like to decorate their walls.
So, is QDM about anter management? To a degree, yes, but that is only so the biologists don't lose their management tools (us) for regulating the herds.
06-12-2007 | 09:17 AM
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I also agree Germ, and to those of you who don't know me, I was joking in my last few posts.
Problem is in my area, and from the sounds of it, many others, people want to shoot bucks. And they want to do it so badly that they'll shoot the first little guy to walk by, but passed on ten doe. And as if that isn't bad enough, they complain that there are no good bucks!
It is all about balance, not horns, but lets not pretend that horns aren't just simply wonderful! Love'em!
Problem is in my area, and from the sounds of it, many others, people want to shoot bucks. And they want to do it so badly that they'll shoot the first little guy to walk by, but passed on ten doe. And as if that isn't bad enough, they complain that there are no good bucks!
It is all about balance, not horns, but lets not pretend that horns aren't just simply wonderful! Love'em!
06-12-2007 | 09:26 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I never said not to shoot does.
What I did say is if you" should " shoot the first "doe" then you" should "shoot the first " buck "also.
I never said not to shoot does.
What I did say is if you" should " shoot the first "doe" then you" should "shoot the first " buck "also.
That's where some opponents of QDM show their short sightedness. They think its about reducing the population this year and not next year and the year after. You can't do that shooting young bucks. Plus true QDM, as has been said here before, is about better buck to doe ratios. How do you accomplish this while shooting young bucks?
IMO people who do not believe in QDM, maybe not the QDMA, are selfish and living for themselves now, not the future and the betterment of the herd.
"Just because you can do something, doesn'tmean its a good idea."
06-12-2007 | 09:30 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: _Dan
That's where some opponents of QDM show their short sightedness. They think its about reducing the population this year and not next year and the year after. You can't do that shooting young bucks. Plus true QDM, as has been said here before, is about better buck to doe ratios. How do you accomplish this while shooting young bucks?
IMO people who do not believe in QDM, maybe not the QDMA, are selfish and living for themselves now, not the future and the betterment of the herd.
"Just because you can do something, doesn'tmean its a good idea."
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I never said not to shoot does.
What I did say is if you" should " shoot the first "doe" then you" should "shoot the first " buck "also.
I never said not to shoot does.
What I did say is if you" should " shoot the first "doe" then you" should "shoot the first " buck "also.
That's where some opponents of QDM show their short sightedness. They think its about reducing the population this year and not next year and the year after. You can't do that shooting young bucks. Plus true QDM, as has been said here before, is about better buck to doe ratios. How do you accomplish this while shooting young bucks?
IMO people who do not believe in QDM, maybe not the QDMA, are selfish and living for themselves now, not the future and the betterment of the herd.
"Just because you can do something, doesn'tmean its a good idea."
Hey, is "betterment" really a word? Sounds like chewing gum...
06-12-2007 | 09:32 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: Killer_Primate
Good post dan.
Hey, is "betterment" really a word? Sounds like chewing gum...
ORIGINAL: _Dan
That's where some opponents of QDM show their short sightedness. They think its about reducing the population this year and not next year and the year after. You can't do that shooting young bucks. Plus true QDM, as has been said here before, is about better buck to doe ratios. How do you accomplish this while shooting young bucks?
IMO people who do not believe in QDM, maybe not the QDMA, are selfish and living for themselves now, not the future and the betterment of the herd.
"Just because you can do something, doesn'tmean its a good idea."
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I never said not to shoot does.
What I did say is if you" should " shoot the first "doe" then you" should "shoot the first " buck "also.
I never said not to shoot does.
What I did say is if you" should " shoot the first "doe" then you" should "shoot the first " buck "also.
That's where some opponents of QDM show their short sightedness. They think its about reducing the population this year and not next year and the year after. You can't do that shooting young bucks. Plus true QDM, as has been said here before, is about better buck to doe ratios. How do you accomplish this while shooting young bucks?
IMO people who do not believe in QDM, maybe not the QDMA, are selfish and living for themselves now, not the future and the betterment of the herd.
"Just because you can do something, doesn'tmean its a good idea."
Hey, is "betterment" really a word? Sounds like chewing gum...
Man, don't I feel stupid!