QDMA What don't you like
06-12-2007 | 11:24 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
All you hear from the QDM side is the mantra "Mature Bucks, Mature Bucks, Mature Bucks, ohhhhhhhhhhmmm." They keep repeating it till their eyes glaze over and they Zen out. [8D]
What I don't like about QDM is, when you scrape away all the flowery prose and catch phrases and get down to the nitty gritty bottom line, it's all about trophy hunting. I think trophy hunting is our Achilles Heel when it comes to fighting off attacks from the anti's. Easiest place to attack us and the hardest thing for us to defend.
Really, when you look at harvest stats, the archery harvest is still a small percentage of the gun harvest. Except in isolated areas, bowhunters have very little effect on herd numbers or make up. QDM is something bowhunters don't much need to be concerned with. It certainly doesn't deserve all the attention it's been getting on THIS forum lately.
All you hear from the QDM side is the mantra "Mature Bucks, Mature Bucks, Mature Bucks, ohhhhhhhhhhmmm." They keep repeating it till their eyes glaze over and they Zen out. [8D]
What I don't like about QDM is, when you scrape away all the flowery prose and catch phrases and get down to the nitty gritty bottom line, it's all about trophy hunting. I think trophy hunting is our Achilles Heel when it comes to fighting off attacks from the anti's. Easiest place to attack us and the hardest thing for us to defend.
Really, when you look at harvest stats, the archery harvest is still a small percentage of the gun harvest. Except in isolated areas, bowhunters have very little effect on herd numbers or make up. QDM is something bowhunters don't much need to be concerned with. It certainly doesn't deserve all the attention it's been getting on THIS forum lately.
I'm raising four future hunters; it's my job to educate them and anyone else I can.
Would someone please pass the antlers, I'm hungry...
06-12-2007 | 11:32 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: Germ
What you are describing is QDM to a tee
Some think QDM is all about shooting does and it is not. In some cases it is a part of QDM, in some cases it is not.
No where does QDM state "A good doe is a dead doe" Which is kind of my point
I agree 100% there is not a 1 piece fits all to your state or mine
The book "Deer Wars" was about your state I would love to hear your views on it.
And thats the part most people don't under stand every area is different. Proper timber management , good water & a constant food source are all needed to maintain deer
Some think QDM is all about shooting does and it is not. In some cases it is a part of QDM, in some cases it is not.No where does QDM state "A good doe is a dead doe" Which is kind of my point
I agree 100% there is not a 1 piece fits all to your state or mine
The book "Deer Wars" was about your state I would love to hear your views on it.
Land is the key and anyone that fails to see this probably spent much of their youth riding the short bus.[
]How many hunters never give thought to buying some land ? I hear all this B.S. about hunting with our kids ,but it seems a new Tahoe for mom is more important than buying a piece of land that could be used by your entire family for generations. Priorities are all wrong. [:'(]
Half these numb nuts don't know the difference between red oakor a white oak and they think a pin oak has needles. But ask em about their Ipodor game boy and they could go on for half a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I almost forgot the part where it's not about the horns........
06-12-2007 | 11:33 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I would like them it to change it to quality land management.
Land is the key and anyone that fails to see this probably spent much of their youth riding the short bus.[]
How many hunters never give thought to buying some land ? I hear all this B.S. about hunting with our kids ,but it seems a new Tahoe for mom is more important than buying a piece of land that could be used by your entire family for generations. Priorities are all wrong. [:'(]
Half these numb nuts don't know the difference between red oakor a white oak and they think a pin oak needles. But ask em about their Ipodor game boy and they could go on for half a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ORIGINAL: Germ
What you are describing is QDM to a tee Some think QDM is all about shooting does and it is not. In some cases it is a part of QDM, in some cases it is not.
No where does QDM state "A good doe is a dead doe" Which is kind of my point
I agree 100% there is not a 1 piece fits all to your state or mine
The book "Deer Wars" was about your state I would love to hear your views on it.
And thats the part most people don't under stand every area is different. Proper timber management , good water & a constant food source are all needed to maintain deer
Some think QDM is all about shooting does and it is not. In some cases it is a part of QDM, in some cases it is not.No where does QDM state "A good doe is a dead doe" Which is kind of my point
I agree 100% there is not a 1 piece fits all to your state or mine
The book "Deer Wars" was about your state I would love to hear your views on it.
Land is the key and anyone that fails to see this probably spent much of their youth riding the short bus.[
]How many hunters never give thought to buying some land ? I hear all this B.S. about hunting with our kids ,but it seems a new Tahoe for mom is more important than buying a piece of land that could be used by your entire family for generations. Priorities are all wrong. [:'(]
Half these numb nuts don't know the difference between red oakor a white oak and they think a pin oak needles. But ask em about their Ipodor game boy and they could go on for half a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry
06-12-2007 | 11:39 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
Not everyone can afford land. Even those who live in crappy houses, don;t have new trucks, etc etc. Good for those who can afford land, not everyone can.
And while I certainly agree habitat can do wonders for carrying capacity, sometimes it takes a little of both less deer and better habitat to get the land back to good. IMO the DCNR is holding things back by logging so very little of the forests. So when you are left with crappy habitat, you can't have many deer.
And while I certainly agree habitat can do wonders for carrying capacity, sometimes it takes a little of both less deer and better habitat to get the land back to good. IMO the DCNR is holding things back by logging so very little of the forests. So when you are left with crappy habitat, you can't have many deer.
06-12-2007 | 11:39 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: Killer_Primate
Someone isn't a happy person, which means; you sir have failed in life.
Sorry
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I would like them it to change it to quality land management.
Land is the key and anyone that fails to see this probably spent much of their youth riding the short bus.[]
How many hunters never give thought to buying some land ? I hear all this B.S. about hunting with our kids ,but it seems a new Tahoe for mom is more important than buying a piece of land that could be used by your entire family for generations. Priorities are all wrong. [:'(]
Half these numb nuts don't know the difference between red oakor a white oak and they think a pin oak needles. But ask em about their Ipodor game boy and they could go on for half a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ORIGINAL: Germ
What you are describing is QDM to a tee Some think QDM is all about shooting does and it is not. In some cases it is a part of QDM, in some cases it is not.
No where does QDM state "A good doe is a dead doe" Which is kind of my point
I agree 100% there is not a 1 piece fits all to your state or mine
The book "Deer Wars" was about your state I would love to hear your views on it.
And thats the part most people don't under stand every area is different. Proper timber management , good water & a constant food source are all needed to maintain deer
Some think QDM is all about shooting does and it is not. In some cases it is a part of QDM, in some cases it is not.No where does QDM state "A good doe is a dead doe" Which is kind of my point
I agree 100% there is not a 1 piece fits all to your state or mine
The book "Deer Wars" was about your state I would love to hear your views on it.
Land is the key and anyone that fails to see this probably spent much of their youth riding the short bus.[
]How many hunters never give thought to buying some land ? I hear all this B.S. about hunting with our kids ,but it seems a new Tahoe for mom is more important than buying a piece of land that could be used by your entire family for generations. Priorities are all wrong. [:'(]
Half these numb nuts don't know the difference between red oakor a white oak and they think a pin oak needles. But ask em about their Ipodor game boy and they could go on for half a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry
And I imagine you have some reasons to be sorry.. it probably started with your poor reading comprehension. Read the title of this thread again this time slower........................Now did you get it that time?
06-12-2007 | 11:41 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
So bawana.....if I owned the land I hunt.....the does would commit suicide, run away....or more buck would move in?
I'm not following you.
So bawana.....if I owned the land I hunt.....the does would commit suicide, run away....or more buck would move in?
I'm not following you.
Thats probably why you didn't get it.
06-12-2007 | 11:41 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
And one more thing,
If more people treated public land as if it were there own rather than blasting every living thing on it, then not as many people would be out there "locking up" private land, cause they'd be wasting money. the public land hunting could be good for everyone.
If more people treated public land as if it were there own rather than blasting every living thing on it, then not as many people would be out there "locking up" private land, cause they'd be wasting money. the public land hunting could be good for everyone.
06-12-2007 | 11:44 AM
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But you did say.....
No comment on the bus thing....but I'm wondering how owning land changes overpopulation and the need for QDMA type principles.
Land is the key and anyone that fails to see this probably spent much of their youth riding the short bus.[]
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06-12-2007 | 11:44 AM
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RE: QDMA What don't you like
What we're losing sight of here is that Bawanajim hates everything, probably even his own mother. If the deer program was geared toward growing more shrubbery and habitat, he'd complain because there were too many shrubberies, and that the deer were gorging themselves to death.
If the program grew deer with 300" racks, he'd cry because they were unhealthy, and whine about how a big rack does not necessarily equal a healthy deer.
If the program brought the buck/doe ratio to 1:1, he'd cry because the doe holocaust was decimating the deer populations into extinction.
Have a Kleenex Jim.
If the program grew deer with 300" racks, he'd cry because they were unhealthy, and whine about how a big rack does not necessarily equal a healthy deer.
If the program brought the buck/doe ratio to 1:1, he'd cry because the doe holocaust was decimating the deer populations into extinction.
Have a Kleenex Jim.