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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach him to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life.


I agree with a lot of what you said. There is nothing wrong with mentoring a beginner or helping out a friend that is down. There is also nothing wrong with letting everyone in the world hunt your stands if that sits well with you. Your point about helping the future of the sport is right on the money, so I ask - HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE VOLUNTEERED TIME TO THEIR STATE BOWHUNTING ORGANIZATION? Letting someone hunt your stand is like giving him a fish,one maneats for a day. The way to address the future of hunting is by getting involved with pro-hunting organizations. Being a member is a good start but "getting involved" is more. I wonder how many people who have responded to this thread and called me or others like me "selfish" have actually volunteered years of their own time to a pro-hunting organization that is working for the future of ALL hunters. It is real easy for someone to bash others on an internet thread as they point out a problem but how many of them have actually did something to address the real problem?

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IF they agreed to go in "clean".....and respect my landowner's requests.....and were conscious of MY wishes as to what to and what NOT to harvest.......

YES!

I'd look at it with GREAT anticipation. MY "rule" this coming weekend....is for Rob/PA to shoot until he connects on a tom. I'll be happy behind the camera....and will ONLY shoot if it's a jake (and only then....because Rob's chosen not to shoot a jake)......or if Rob connects and has his bird in hand. I'll actually get more from the experience just being the host. I've relayed that to him, already.

I hope we have some good stories and footage to show, next week.

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I hope noone is taking my posts as bashing, I'm no expert on anything just posting an opinion. I agree/relate with Germs last post a lot and in that sense I guess most of us are a littleselfish some of the time, in my post on pg. 3 I tried to say something similiar justdidn't sum it upas well. The numbers are what worries me Germ would only hunt with 10 out of 110 guys in his club and my club is not that big but out of our 70 members there are only about3 or 4 I hunt with and would invite to my farm. A lot of the guys either don't hunt hard and take it seriously or have "questionable" techniques.

Every time I read the word selfish it makes me want some shellfish, I'm not picky shrimp, blue crabs, crab legs, something!!:D

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i can see where you are going with this, i noticed after reading that i could pick out a couple things that make me that way... like hunting gear, which we all know we "NEED" right.. well maybe not to the point that while spending hundreds of dollars on a new bow for the season, and when we have one of last years models than do the job, when we could take tha money to invest on something for the family, kids , wife or even something like retierment or just plain savings account... I know i get wraped up in it all sometimes

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A pile of guys are gun hunters:DSo no need to hunt with them.;)

The others just have a different view on hunting than me. Most of the guys in MI bait, I just do not like to bait. I am not saying they are not my friends, I just do not talk hunting with them much.

One of best friends at the club I do not hunt with. He runs out 30 mins before dark to his bait pile. Yes he shoots some deer.

I said I do not want to bow hunt with most at my club, never said they were not my friends. I do hang out with my core group the most. My other issue is I do not drink, smoke or gamble. These are events happen at our club a lot.

Most I do not let hunt my property for 1 reason, they would screw it up, LOL Sorry just how I feel. I do help all these guys with their bow setups, computer issues, and stand placements. I just do not want to hunt with them.

If someone other than my ten hunting buddies at my club ask me to buy land and hunt with them I would say no.

One of my buddies bought land with member I would not have, and it is a complete nightmare for them both. They do not even speak to each other[:o]

Yes Atlas it comes down to the word SELFISH for them both.

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The club I hunt with has good guys too but the majority don't hunt like I hunt. I still have a good time at our club get togethers acd cookouts and things of that nature. A handful of the guys are good friends from high school/college and such but they have a very different approach to huntingthan me. Yes they are still good friends butour huntingmethods are worlds apart.

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Bingo;) I shot a 3d with most of them on Sunday, and had a great time:D

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Where did anyone call you or anyone else in particular selfish??

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Boy, this topic certainly went down the tubes..........people who started out saying one thing are now doing a 180 and all kinds of qualifiers are being added to each and every post.

It was just a general question.........with a few examples that some people seem fixated on. You guys are reading way too much into this.

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Ahh yes, butbit more complicated Mr. Atlas.

Poorly ask question, on what hand we are, and I the other we're not:D

Great example is guy who never lets anyone hunt his land, he shoot a monster and a couple does. He donates the meat to Hunters to the Hungry.

Is he selfish hunter?

IMO yes and no[&:]

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Atlas,
I stillbelieve this is a good thread, yes it is a general question but sometimes very general questions canlead to all different kinds of answers and perspectives and often these kind of questionsare almost impossible to thoroughly answer with a yes or no. If every one just answered yes or no and there was no elaboration or explanationthis forum would get boring real quick.The question is very open ended.Just for an example it iskind of like askingare hunters lazy? Well of course some are and some aren't and we probably all have days where we are even if just a little. My point is that this question could go anywhere. Still this wasan interesting thread in mymind anyway.

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Actually, it's quite simple.........but like anything else can be MADE more complicated.


You're thinking way too much...........all I wanted to know is if hunters in general (as a whole) tend to be selfish.......and I gave some examples from real life and this forum of how in some ways I think we tend to be. If anything, hopefully it stirs some self reflection in people who can do more for others.

I'm having trouble understanding why being less selfish is a bad thing.


This thread was about no one in particular...........if you read it and immediately thought it was about you then maybe you should ask yourself why that is.

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No, but like new said it is a tough answer as a group.

For every case some brings me as a selffish hunter I can show you those who are not.

Like new said it is open ended question, and a stupid one IMO:D

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Agreed, but my comment was about the guys who started off saying one thing and are now saying the opposite...........and justifyng it with tons of qualifiers.

The original topic hasn't been discussed in pages.

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Why??.......it's simple. On average when you thing about all the hunters you know do they tend to be selfish or not?

Then stop replying and go to a different thread.........no one is forcing you to read this.

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Yes, but not because they are hunters but because they are people/human.

a Great point.


The stigma behind it, if I were to say, "your selfish", that paints a bad light. Yes, I think we all tend to be, we lock our doors to protect "our" stuff from others, we keep quiet about a particular buck so others don't persue it, we post property to keep others out. We are all selfish in some respect, we are all human.

I never thought it were about anyone particular, interesting though.

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It is just what I think, sorry. No differnce than you think a book/article is terrible or that it sucked.

You have the right to says so, I have the right to say this is a stupid question.

No we're not selfishand yes we are.:D

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Excellent point and one I was waiting to be made........now substitute the word "jealous" in for "selfish" and the response you get is quite interesting.......it appears we are much more comfortable pointing the finger at others then we are at ourselves. Notice how most of those that balk at the term "selfish" had no problem applying the term "jealous".

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1919179&mpage=1

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Apology accepted ;)

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Selfish? Im not really sure about that. Hunters are lazy... and most hunters lose about 20 iq points when they pick up their weapons. Hunters are greedy and hunters will take advantage of each other with any given chance. But selfish? not really sure about that one...

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Man you're easy to read, don't play poker;)

Are you still all bent out of hape over a 4 month old thread, LOL Move on and buy some land and retire at 50:D

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I really don't understand your posting sometimes germ..........I made the exact same point in the jealousy thread as Rob made here........what's interesting is how different people feel when they are talking about "them".......vs how they feel when they are talking about "us".

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Could you please expound on this? I think it's interesting.....where this might go.

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See above

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ditto:D

What really bothered you when the guy said I have 13 stands and nobody is killing a buck but me?

Were you thinking "I am way better hunter than this clown, I would clean up"?

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Atlas:

I want to understand exactly what you're getting to......so could you show me exactly where and how to "switch" the terms to get to your question? Do you mean in the original question (page 1)....as it was originally asked?

I think this might be interesting...is the only reason I ask.

Thanks.

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Chalk me up in the selfish category then. If I hung the stand, scouted, etc....I'm the one doing the lions share of the hunting there. How many guys go out on a lake fishing, find a real honey hole and then tell everyone the GPS coordinates to get there? Didn't think so.

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Actually what I thought about was my best friends father who has MS and doesn't get to hunt anymore because someone convinced a farmer to let him post his land and kick eveyone else off.

Your story is funnier though I guess :eek:

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I live in the great lakes and finger lakes region. This is actually common practice for charter boatcaptains as they all try to look out for one another.................well, most of them anyways.

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Ok will use your example

Is this a charcter flaw of the hunter in the person, or is this person just an arse?

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That one should get you an afternoon spot with Oprah!!!!!!!!!!![8D][8D]



A true best Friend would buy some land for the Friends father to hunt.

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Now you're catching on ;) All you have left to do is figure out that people's answers vary depending on what "flaw" is discussed and you're home free...........unless you want to know why.

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Or give him your best spot:eek:

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Hmm very interesting.

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Atlas an arse is an arse, that is really all I need to know.;)

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Can we use germ's hunting land/spots (or anyone having private land that only THEY have access to)as an example.....and relate EACH "perceived" "Character flaw" to that situation?

I'd like to see where this is heading. It IS interesting......but I'd like to have it better defined.

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Why would I do that??......he is just another lazy slob hunter waiting for his govt. check. I can't help it he is unwilling to put in the effort I do to have success. He will just ruin my spot anyways.


See how stupid that sounds??




BTW.........the first thing I did was offer him every spot I have. He was so heartbroken over the whole thing that he tears up just talking about it...........it soured his whole outlook and broke his will. He is confined to a wheelchair and that was about all he had left.

On the bright side though, atleast that other guy has more land to hunt for himself :eek:

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Just when I thought you had it :(

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Atlas...

Are you going to really pose the questions you did (in GENERALITIES).....and then interject a disabled person for use as THE example?

Forgive me if I've jumped to the wrong conclusion.

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Read the thread...........germ asked a question and I answered it. Nothing "interjected" and he's not an example of anything.