Question re: Whitetail Evolution
01-26-2007 | 11:57 AM
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RE: Question re: Whitetail Evolution
ORIGINAL: DaveH
As was stated earlier, deer have ADAPTED to changes, but their has been no evolutionary change. Stating evolutionary theories - as if they were fact - is just plain wrong. If you want to state that the theories make this claim, I'm fine with that.
As was stated earlier, deer have ADAPTED to changes, but their has been no evolutionary change. Stating evolutionary theories - as if they were fact - is just plain wrong. If you want to state that the theories make this claim, I'm fine with that.
I would like to say that as far as i am concerned, I have not put forth anything I would say is a Theory. I am simply speaking of thoughts on potential deer evolution. I am simply throwing out ideas to a round table of people to disect as they will. Which is something i think some have done very well.
01-26-2007 | 11:59 AM
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RE: Question re: Whitetail Evolution
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Deer have changed physically. For example, I'd wager that the dewclaw was, at one time, an integral part of the hoof, as opposed to our current herd, where that part of the hoof has essentially become obsolete.
Deer have changed physically. For example, I'd wager that the dewclaw was, at one time, an integral part of the hoof, as opposed to our current herd, where that part of the hoof has essentially become obsolete.
Selective breeders claim to be able to grow deer with larger antlers from certain genetic bloodlines. It's a fact, evidenced by both their results, and the tens of millions of dollars spent annually in whitetail breeding and research. These guys aren't just wasting money for fun.
These species are actually changing, but in what ways?
Are we ultimately harming the species through selective breeding for a single genetic trait (large antlers)?
I would also stake the farm on it that if you compared a whitetail skeleton (or it's closest forefather)from 1 Million years ago, and compared that to a skeleton from today, they would not be identical. I'm wondering what the key differences are, and why they've become manifest.
These species are actually changing, but in what ways?
Are we ultimately harming the species through selective breeding for a single genetic trait (large antlers)?
I would also stake the farm on it that if you compared a whitetail skeleton (or it's closest forefather)from 1 Million years ago, and compared that to a skeleton from today, they would not be identical. I'm wondering what the key differences are, and why they've become manifest.
01-26-2007 | 12:09 PM
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RE: Question re: Whitetail Evolution
These species are actually changing, but in what ways?
Are we ultimately harming the species through selective breeding for a single genetic trait (large antlers)?
I would also stake the farm on it that if you compared a whitetail skeleton (or it's closest forefather)from 1 Million years ago
Are we ultimately harming the species through selective breeding for a single genetic trait (large antlers)?
I would also stake the farm on it that if you compared a whitetail skeleton (or it's closest forefather)from 1 Million years ago
Are we harming the species, well I'm not, but if your referring to the selective breeding farms, Only time will tell
So my question is are there any cases of whitetails pertaining to your original question. No! Evolution, which I believe Does not exist, Would theoretically have to happen over the course of years and years and years! So their could be no cases to the fact we have no knowledge of the living breathing species of whitetail before the last thousand years.
There is no possible answer to the originall question
How are Whitetails evolving? ... And if they are changing, how fast are they evolving?
Are they getting taller? Faster?Are their brains getting bigger? Are their senses becoming more keen? Is selective breeding (whitetail farming) having an impact? Is Vomolfaction a newly-developed characteristic?
Are they getting taller? Faster?Are their brains getting bigger? Are their senses becoming more keen? Is selective breeding (whitetail farming) having an impact? Is Vomolfaction a newly-developed characteristic?
01-26-2007 | 12:15 PM
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RE: Question re: Whitetail Evolution
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
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No arguement ... discussion .... how do you believe in both? [&:]
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I will tell you how. I think of us asplants in a garden. God planted the seed and we grow/evolve independently from then on. Creation and evolution in one. I put it very simply, but what I believe.
01-26-2007 | 12:18 PM
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RE: Question re: Whitetail Evolution
I will tell you how. I think of us asplants in a garden. God planted the seed and we grow/evolve independently from then on. Creation and evolution in one. I put it very simply, but what I believe.
01-26-2007 | 12:23 PM
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RE: Question re: Whitetail Evolution
Mods - can you either lock this down, or delete this anti-evolutionary dicta?
There was a plenty interesting discussion started, and this has become ridiculous. Shame on me for trying to spur some insightful conversation. I should have known.
Red, IlBow and Tony - Please cut it out. You're acting like children. Please, if you want to debate creationism and evolution - please start a thread in the appropriate forum. Have a little respect for others, and stay on topic. We have all explicitly stated that we are not inviting a debate about creationism. Everyone here is entitled to his/her own beliefs.
There was a plenty interesting discussion started, and this has become ridiculous. Shame on me for trying to spur some insightful conversation. I should have known.
Red, IlBow and Tony - Please cut it out. You're acting like children. Please, if you want to debate creationism and evolution - please start a thread in the appropriate forum. Have a little respect for others, and stay on topic. We have all explicitly stated that we are not inviting a debate about creationism. Everyone here is entitled to his/her own beliefs.
01-26-2007 | 12:27 PM
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RE: Question re: Whitetail Evolution
Mods - can you either lock this down, or delete this anti-evolutionary dicta?
There was a plenty interesting discussion started, and this has become ridiculous. Shame on me for trying to spur some insightful conversation. I should have known.
Red, IlBow and Tony - Please cut it out. You're acting like children. Please, if you want to debate creationism and evolution - please start a thread in the appropriate forum. Have a little respect for others, and stay on topic. We have all explicitly stated that we are not inviting a debate about creationism. Everyone here is entitled to his/her own beliefs.
There was a plenty interesting discussion started, and this has become ridiculous. Shame on me for trying to spur some insightful conversation. I should have known.
Red, IlBow and Tony - Please cut it out. You're acting like children. Please, if you want to debate creationism and evolution - please start a thread in the appropriate forum. Have a little respect for others, and stay on topic. We have all explicitly stated that we are not inviting a debate about creationism. Everyone here is entitled to his/her own beliefs.
Don't woory about the lock-down.......I'm out!!!!
