The issue with trad gear is that it takes continued practice. I can pretty much pick up my compounds and shoot tight groups with little practice. I do have to keep practiced up with my trad gear to stay proficient. I think that is the underlying notion here. I like them all, long, recurve, and compounds. I will never knock anyone for what they shoot. Because I enjoy my trads doesn't mean everyone has to. Its what I like. I don't like to prescribe to the "Holier than thou art" attitude. Too each his own.

HCH...why all the hostility?????

I don't use my 4-wheeler for "hunting", either. I used it to carry the deer I'd already brought home.....to a place that I might be able to dispose of the animal's entrails in a proper manner. I shot the deer in a woodlot behind someone's HOUSE. the deer went into a parks system.....and into the core bedding area of the herd I hunt. besides the fact that I didn't want to leave the entrails, there......the landowners are VERY BIG animal lovers....and I knew they weren't HOME. I had a VERY short window in which to get this dee rout of there without them seeing it. It's called RESPECT FOR THE LANDOWNER.

It would have been a MUCH easier drag to have gutted it RIGHT there....lol.

And now all ATV's are driven by "city-Slicker" "sissy's"???? Careful....you're gonna pisxx off someone real good.

So I've been hunting whitetails for only a little over a year. I guess you got me, there. How many had you harvested in your first year? I need to know the standard.

Just be careful.....I'm not against you. I posted an opinion.

jeff

SBGobblers, here was my reply to the same post that you mentioned. Take it FWIW

No hostility against you; just be careful who you piss off bashing traditional bow hunters that take their guide with them. A guide isn't going to help a bowhunter do much except like I stated, provide a place to hunt, help with dressing the game, provide lodging, help with calling and setup locations etc. It is still archery and the odds are against the bowhunter. Use a guide for an archery elk hunt and the odds are still way against you. Only 20% of the bowhunters get their elk. To answer your question; my 1st year of deer hunting I only got one deer. That was the limit 30 years ago. Only in the last few years have bowhunters been allowed to harvest extra does in IA. I guess to have you bash a guy that hunts with a guide as he is not near the hunter you are does not sit well with me.

I hunt with a recurve (insert gasp of awe here) and itIS hard. It's hard to pass that nice buck that last year would have been a easier shot with a compound because I haven't gotten that good yet with the recurve. But it's fun too. I never was into all the gadgets of compounds, it seemed too much like a living math word problem. I hunted with a bare (not bear) compound shooting instinctive because I like it simple. This year I made it even more simple. As far as trying to make my hunt as hard as possible and making it all man-powered, well that's just insane. You are welcome to it but that's not my thing. I don't love making things that hard on myself. I'll hike back into the area's noone else will and pack my deer out because I have to to get the big ones I want but if I can do it sitting within the legal distance from the road, or by going out my back door and climbing a tree a couple hundred yards away I'll do that too and enjoy both. I don't have to crawl through broken glass to feel something has value or to enjoy it fully. Maybe that's just the way I'm wired.

Anyway...I've recorded a couple of Tred's shows: Duck hunting, Caribou hunt, and the Sailfishing trip with his wife. Personally I don't care for his personality. It's too much like Ted's for my taste. Too much alpha male bravado. But I also don't care for most of the other tv personalities that are out there (hunting or otherwise). Face it, certain types of people are going to be able to make it in the tv industry. The calm laid-back, "no, you take the shot I'm just glad to be here", enjoy sitting around the fire telling story types just don't get past the secretaries, or even have the desire to make their own show (why should I have a show? I'm just a guy who enjoys to hunt?). I'm not sure I'd want any of these guys as my hunting buddy. Can I learn something from them? Sure, but I wouldn't be relaxed and wouldn't want that to be my everyday hunting partner.

As far as him flinging arrows: yeah he does do that a lot and I think it's kind of iffy but he does say he practices for those ranges but prefers the closer shots. If he's proficient at those distances I guess it goes to show how low odd a shot those are.

As far as a guide service being 100% enclusive: Yeah there are hunts like that but they aren't the majority and not one I'd book. Most of those types of hunts are either HIGH-END hunts with a gourmet meal at the end of the day or a fee factory that rotates hunters on burned out stands as fast as they can book them.

Bobco....

I practice more than most of the guys I know. I do so to stay proficient, too.

I don't diminish ANYTHING you speak of in my post.

RESPECT. I mean that.

Jeff

HCH...just cool it. I never did any of what you're accusing me of. if you have a problem with me....just state your case. Don't put words in my mouth. I don't appreciate it.

I never BASHED anyone!

jeff

MOTOWNHONKEYyou don't shoot a trad bow, enough said. Until you do, you can't comment really on it. Sorry Charlie

yes and no

the trad guy isn't as accurate as the compounder. 99.9 % of the time this is true, with the rare trad guy like Ferguson or Schafer. Also, with compounds you have a triggered release, pins and sights, but most importantly, you have high letoff that allows you to draw without it seeing you draw most often. You can draw and hold - invaluable. also, the power compounds give is a huge deal.

So its way, WAY more than what the above says it is.

bingo

and thats not to discount the compounder - killing a deer with a compound is an accomplishment too. but its not nearly as hard

SBGobblers do you want a fact ?

I can take your compound, you take my recurve, and we'll shoot at pop cans at 20 yards for $100 a can.

Wanna play ? I'll take every bit of money you have in savings.

Also, you can put your bow down for 6 months, and pick it up and shoot 4" groups no problem. Trad hunters have a very hard time doing that.

THATS how easy compounds are to shoot. They are DESIGNED to be easy, and thats why they are the #1 choice of bowhunters.

Easy is engrained in human nature. Its something thie society we live in creates and bolsters. Few people take to the lesser traveled, harder path

I like Tread, I don't care who he hunts with or where he goes to hunt. The guy hunts with traditional gearin a traditional manner, he stalk hunts most of his game including brown bear.

Is he cocky? yep but he is also very very humble and realistic. More than once has said (on TV no less) that he is not the best shot nor hunter and he must work hard all the time to be proficiant.A quality I wish some people who post on this fourm had. He tells it like it is, no more...no less.

I like Tred, he is good for hunting.

back to the original post ......... hunting with an outfitter makes the hunting easier, by far

but he's using a traditional bow, and THAT makes the hunting much more difficult than if he had a rifle, muzzleloader or compound in his hands

to say "NOT the hard way" is indicative of the guiding I think, not the weapon of his choice, which if anything is HARD