Tred Barta... NOT the hard way
12-11-2006 | 02:07 PM
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RE: Tred Barta... NOT the hard way
i saw him on yesterday... shot a grizzly at 10 yds with his homemade bow and homemade arrow.
Please.
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12-11-2006 | 02:09 PM
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RE: Tred Barta... NOT the hard way
ORIGINAL: Rich Baker
He didn't miss that doe. He hit at 15 yards and searched all day for it. Never recovered the doe. Are you all saying you have never lost a wounded animal?? He hit the bedded doe at less than 20 yards. Not 35. The bow is not of his making. It isfrom Fox archery. His arrows are cedar shatfs that he finishes and tips with a Wensel Woodsman.
Yes, he has an ego. He'll be the first to tell you that. Whata lot of you are missing is the message he is trying to send. He hunts the hard way, no electronic crap, no scent elimination clothing, no spray, no hi tech gizmo's. Just his bow, arrow and playing the wind. Like it was when Saxon Pope and Art Young roamed the California woods with Ishi. Both learning the skill and art of traditional archery from the last savage man to walk the U.S. Or like Maurice and William Thompson stalking and hunting their prey in the Florida everglades with nothing but their home made bows and quivers filled witharrows.
What he is propmoting is getting back to your most basic human nature. To be a woodsman and a hunter. To hone your hunting skills, andnot rely on the latest crap sold at Cabelas. I switched to traditional archery years ago. Got rid of the compound and tree stands. I hunt from the ground or wear mocossins, made from my own deer harvest, to stalk my animals. It is hard! But the reward of a harvest is 100 fold. Improving my hunting skills is the biggest reward. No scent stuff. No crap from this doe pee or buck spray company. Just baking soda to wash my hunting clothes and hang them on a line outside to dry. Store them with oak leaves, acornsand dirt for a cover scent.
My harvests have dropped but, when my home made cedar arrow hits its mark and the harvest complete, I give the Lord a big thumbs up and a thank you for allowing me the experience of a hunt. End Quote
Exactly, I feel the same way, His point is you don't need all the gimmics. and hes right!!!
He didn't miss that doe. He hit at 15 yards and searched all day for it. Never recovered the doe. Are you all saying you have never lost a wounded animal?? He hit the bedded doe at less than 20 yards. Not 35. The bow is not of his making. It isfrom Fox archery. His arrows are cedar shatfs that he finishes and tips with a Wensel Woodsman.
Yes, he has an ego. He'll be the first to tell you that. Whata lot of you are missing is the message he is trying to send. He hunts the hard way, no electronic crap, no scent elimination clothing, no spray, no hi tech gizmo's. Just his bow, arrow and playing the wind. Like it was when Saxon Pope and Art Young roamed the California woods with Ishi. Both learning the skill and art of traditional archery from the last savage man to walk the U.S. Or like Maurice and William Thompson stalking and hunting their prey in the Florida everglades with nothing but their home made bows and quivers filled witharrows.
What he is propmoting is getting back to your most basic human nature. To be a woodsman and a hunter. To hone your hunting skills, andnot rely on the latest crap sold at Cabelas. I switched to traditional archery years ago. Got rid of the compound and tree stands. I hunt from the ground or wear mocossins, made from my own deer harvest, to stalk my animals. It is hard! But the reward of a harvest is 100 fold. Improving my hunting skills is the biggest reward. No scent stuff. No crap from this doe pee or buck spray company. Just baking soda to wash my hunting clothes and hang them on a line outside to dry. Store them with oak leaves, acornsand dirt for a cover scent.
My harvests have dropped but, when my home made cedar arrow hits its mark and the harvest complete, I give the Lord a big thumbs up and a thank you for allowing me the experience of a hunt. End Quote
Exactly, I feel the same way, His point is you don't need all the gimmics. and hes right!!!
12-11-2006 | 02:10 PM
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RE: Tred Barta... NOT the hard way
ORIGINAL: Buster T
If you shoot a compound, you have NO RIGHT to say anything about the way this guy hunts and shoots.
Until you committ yourself to shooting REAL BOWS and put down the wheels, you'll never understand just how hard it is. Real Bowhunting isn't drawing a 80% letoff 300FPS rocket launcher with a mechanical release and pulling the trigger after holding while the deer comes into your presence.
Whole 'nuther ballgame entirely
If you shoot a compound, you have NO RIGHT to say anything about the way this guy hunts and shoots.
Until you committ yourself to shooting REAL BOWS and put down the wheels, you'll never understand just how hard it is. Real Bowhunting isn't drawing a 80% letoff 300FPS rocket launcher with a mechanical release and pulling the trigger after holding while the deer comes into your presence.
Whole 'nuther ballgame entirely
12-11-2006 | 02:18 PM
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What I have a problem with is going on and on about , "the Barta way", and if you don't hunt HIS way you're just not a real hunter. He doesn't come right out and say it but the message is clearly there.
I've not watched but a couple of his shows, and he IS doing it the hard way. That he says it and implies it is 100% correct and on the nose.
Is honesty a bad thing ?
I am currently looking for a trad bow and hope to hunt with one next year. So his methods are not the issue. well, except of course some of his ridiculously long shots. If he could narrate the hunt and shut up about MEMEME, I might even have some respect for the guy.
SBGobblers I agree however does it matter what bow is shot when a guide is used ?
Guys, I'm not anti-compound and I'm not anti-crossbow or anti-modern gun. What I'm saying is that I've been there, a die hard compounder who saw recurve and longbow shooters and poor shooters who fling a lot of arrows and don't fill tags often. I went traditional, I've been there, and I've done that, and I see the other side of what bowhunting IS.
Tred Barta might be like Ted Nugent, annoying, a mouth at times, and headstrong in his message. But that he hunts without compounds is a HUGE thing. Until ya'll try to hunt 3-4 seasons with a traditional bow, you just simply won't understand that it IS bowhunting, and its a seperate kind of hunting that having a compound in your hands.
And that aint trying to take away from a compound, killing deer with one is an accomplishment. Its just not nearly as difficult as hunting the traditional way
12-11-2006 | 02:29 PM
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SBGobblers I agree however does it matter what bow is shot when a guide is used ?
Jeff
12-11-2006 | 02:31 PM
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Now HCH.....really......
YOU go to an outfitter......the guide has already scouted your area.....hung you a stand.....and told you which way the deer are going to be coming from. He then stays there and helps you glass deer......then you shoot one. He helps (or does it all) the tracking......loads your deer......and then they process it for you.
Forgive me if this scenario takes about 90% of the "hunt" out of "hunting" for me.
I don't begrudge anyone using guides. I'm just saying....let's call a spade a spade. What part of my scenario isn't the truth?
I'm so sore today....my 42 yr old bones are cussing me. Why?.....besides the fact that I scouted my buck all year......set up in an area "I" thought I might get the best shot at him......I drug my buck out of the sh%t on Saturday....I loaded him in my truck, alone.....I unloaded him to field dress him.....I loaded him on the 4 wheeler to take into the woods to field dress. I loaded him back up......I hung him on the gambrel.....I caped him out and I processed him. THAT ENTIRE LITTANY OF STEPS contributes to the overall experience of "THE HUNT". It wouldn't mean NEARLY the same to me if it didn't go down, that way.
Again....I don't begrudge anyone using a guide. "I" am rewarded by the entire experience, though....and the part I'd be paying for.....is what I love the most. the killing is easy.
Just my .02......and I mean no disrespect.
jeff
IMO a guide doesn't do a whole lot except provide a place for you to hunt, help with game care if necessary, provide lodging, sometimes help with calling such as elk or moose. It is up to the hunters' skill to do it all.
YOU go to an outfitter......the guide has already scouted your area.....hung you a stand.....and told you which way the deer are going to be coming from. He then stays there and helps you glass deer......then you shoot one. He helps (or does it all) the tracking......loads your deer......and then they process it for you.
Forgive me if this scenario takes about 90% of the "hunt" out of "hunting" for me.
I don't begrudge anyone using guides. I'm just saying....let's call a spade a spade. What part of my scenario isn't the truth?
I'm so sore today....my 42 yr old bones are cussing me. Why?.....besides the fact that I scouted my buck all year......set up in an area "I" thought I might get the best shot at him......I drug my buck out of the sh%t on Saturday....I loaded him in my truck, alone.....I unloaded him to field dress him.....I loaded him on the 4 wheeler to take into the woods to field dress. I loaded him back up......I hung him on the gambrel.....I caped him out and I processed him. THAT ENTIRE LITTANY OF STEPS contributes to the overall experience of "THE HUNT". It wouldn't mean NEARLY the same to me if it didn't go down, that way.
Again....I don't begrudge anyone using a guide. "I" am rewarded by the entire experience, though....and the part I'd be paying for.....is what I love the most. the killing is easy.
Just my .02......and I mean no disrespect.
jeff
12-11-2006 | 02:31 PM
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12-11-2006 | 02:33 PM
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RE: Tred Barta... NOT the hard way
Your so full of it your eyes are brown. Every deer I kill is 20 yards and in because I set it up that way. Is it hard to hit a 10 inch target at 20 yards with anything? No. Nice try though.
12-11-2006 | 02:34 PM
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Also.....Rob/PA made a good point the other day. He said he asked a trad guy if he could make a 20 yd shot (most every time) count with his trad bow. The guy replied that he could. Rob/Pa said ...so could he.....so the REAL challenge is REALLY getting them to that 20 yds, now......isn't it??????
I won't begin to take away from the skill sets required to become proficient with the traditional archery tackle. But honestly.....a 20 yd shot is a 20 yd shot......isn't it??? If I'm missing the alignment of the planets or some mystical guruness requirement......please enlighten me.
jeff
I won't begin to take away from the skill sets required to become proficient with the traditional archery tackle. But honestly.....a 20 yd shot is a 20 yd shot......isn't it??? If I'm missing the alignment of the planets or some mystical guruness requirement......please enlighten me.
jeff
12-11-2006 | 02:40 PM
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RE: Tred Barta... NOT the hard way
Where traditional is REALLY different is that when a deer turns his head or goes behind a tree the compound hunter can go to full draw and hold for minutes if necessary until the right shot opportunity presents itself. The traditional bowhunter doesn't have that luxury and must pull back and quickly release as the poundage will wear on him quickly. I shoot both types of bows and have harvested deer with both. Traditional is WAY harder and if you don't think so you are only fooling yourself; not me.