I have never seen Tred in a treestand and his buddy just walks around with him and they use their brains to try to get an animal on their hunts I have seen. Using a guide is not a give me and I never use them for financial reasons and I like doing things the "hard way." I use an outfitter in Canada as it is required. I still hang my own stands when I get there. I personally think 4 wheelers are not hunting either, so there. Hunting is about going into the woods on your own, hanging your own stands after scouting, or stalking and calling game on your ownand getting in and your game out with nothing but your own power. Horses are OK for elk and a must at times if you have the luxuryof having one. To put a man down for using a guide to help him get around and his knowledge of the land and to say that it isn't real hunting and then talk about loading a deer on a 4 wheeler to field dress it is rediculous!!! BTW; why load it in a pickup just to load itback on a sissy city slicker ATV when you could have field dressed it in the woods to begin with? BTW; you have been bowhunting a year and Tred has forgot more about bowhunting than you will probably ever know. Just my .02 and I mean no disrespect.