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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

I hunt with every means at my disposal. I would use a spear if it was legal. Heck my knife or even a spoon(j/k) . I have a butchered doe in my freezer not because I used a crossbow either.(even though I did) It was my skill in placing me in the right spot at the right time. I could have also taken it with my compound bow.(left at home that time,hadnt planned on hunting myself that day). I had praticed shooting the crossbow just as often as I did with my compound bow,rifle,muzzleloader and shotgun.(Which I am accurate with all btw.)

Yes it is nice not to have to draw it back as the deer are coming in since I ground hunt. I think it is more challenging on the ground anyway. Be at eye level once then see how hard it is. But with practice I also can draw my compound back without making much movement. Not having to draw the crossbow back is the only advantage.

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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

stealthy, hang a trad bow, compound bow, crossbow, and rifle on the wall. See the similarities and differences? Shoot each. See the similarities and differences?

I shoot what I shoot because that's what I like/prefer. It doesn't matter to me that someone else shoots what they like/prefer.

Crossbows are legal in Ohio, so let the people that want to use them have at it. It doesn't affect me in any way.

The real challenge/fun is getting close.

Phil.
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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

The only thing I noticed out of this all is that the "Mechanical" was used as a good ole "quick fix" again....

and...if this guy is hitting his arm that bad either his stance is incorrect (closed) or the drawlength is too long or a combination thereof...

~Will Hunt For Food~

RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I have no doubts that he could go out this evening and kill any deer that walks within 20 yards +/- of him. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Yea sure he could. He shot four whole arrows and no broadheads and he is ready to go hunting.

At it again eh Stealthy?

You get anything this year so far with your Traditional gear? Not being sarcastic, just wondering.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Why seperate them from archery season without also seperating compounds ?? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> I really don't care if they are allowed in archery season.The arguments against them are the same ones used against compounds years ago.I have never shot one so my opinion is one of ignorance.

It would get more people in the woods which is good and bad.Good- increases revenue into hunting and strenghthens our numbers. Bad-it puts more people into the woods during bow season.

You know I am going to have to try traditional equipment.Just to find out if it's as hard to master as you say, or if you just are a slow learner.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

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You get anything this year so far with your Traditional gear? Not being sarcastic, just wondering.
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Ah, Charlie wins the prize. Maybe all of this is bitterness there Stealthy????

Stealthy, methinks you need to get in the woods, clear the cobwebs from the old noggin, and move on.

I own both a compound and a recurve. I hunt with the compound. Why? I am much more profficient. Could I kill with the recurve? No doubt, but I do not carry it in the woods. Why not? I can not meet my own expectations of the skill level one should have to be in the woods, and I have more respect for the animals than to just fling arrows around. There are an awful lot of archers, both stickbow shooters and compound shooters that have absolutely no business in the woods.

I am talking about guys that from 12 yards would have a hard time putting 6 of 10 shots (which for me is unacceptable, 9 of 10 is acceptable) in an 8 inch circle at 15 yards. For the wheelie shooters it is a lack of dedication and practice. For the trad shooters, generally the attitude I have come across in my area is "that is ok, it is tougher with trad equipment let's go hunting."

Compound shooters or trad shooters, which according to many I have run into at shoots and on the LW you are not since you did not make your own bow, cut your own cedar trees for arras, etc, that are strictly archers and never tote a gun in the woods typically have a higher degree of dedication than other hunters. What seperates them is their limitations due to their chosen gear. Their are not enough differences between wheelie bows and trad gear to warrant seperate seasons. Now, tell me, why is the eletist attitude so rampant among trad hunters (with the exception of the majority on this board), the LW just smacks of this attitude, as does the magazine you quoted above.

Now, the state of Georgia legalized xguns for the archery season this year. Fine, I am ok with that although my personal opnion is that xguns are ok in the general season but have no purpose in the archery season except for the disabled. What I ran into was dozens of guys buying crossbows that had previously no desire to hunt in the archery season. When I asked them why not just get a compound, the overwhelming answer was that it takes too much time and practice to become proficient with a "real" bow, shoot 2 arrows through the xbow, site in the scope, no more practice. Furthermore, ever single person I talked to said the xgun would be put up once gun season came in. Maybe it is different in your area, I am sharing personal exprience in my little part of the world.

So, using my area as the example from the paragraph above, I ask you 2 things:
1. Are these guys bowhunters, or just hunters? Realistically, and according to them they had no previous desire to dedicate themselves to becoming archers, but when the state gave them a weapon they did not have to practice with they were all for it.
2. Using my area again as the example, do you really think you will convince me the crossbow is an archery weapon? It takes no dedication, attention to details, attention to form, or, and most importantly, drawaing on an approaching animal to master and become a proficient hunter.

Finally Stealthy let me relate this little story , since compounds are inherrintly easier. I just returned from a week of hunting in WV. In camp there were 6 of us. 5 of us shot wheels during the week and one longbow shooter (Chekmate Crusader that he shoots quite well I might add). The longbow shooter practices year round and dedicates himself to knowing his equipment. Of the 5 compound shooters I was the only one with the same level of dedication. 3 of the other 4 went out 2 weeks before, spent big $$$$$$$ getting their bows "tuned" and shot them the Sunday prior to the first hunt the following morning. The other 2 never shot his bow prior to hunting, and had no shots during the week. At 18 yards I was stacking my Muzzys in a 2 inch circle grouping quite well, I practiced with the Muzzys even though I hunt with Mechs, and yes, they all hit the same place. The other 3 struggled to hit the target at 18, so I pulled it back to 12.

Results for the week: I was 1 for 2 with a big doe (misjudged yardage on the other and sailed right over her back). My dad was 0 - 0, with no shot opportunities. The rest of the camp was 1 - 18 with one dead deer, one gut shot never recovered, two grazed deer that did not die (both were seen later in the week), and 14 misses, with multiple missed shots on at least 3 deer that they admit to. Please tell me again how much easier a compound is than a trad bow. Now, If xbows were legal and those guys were carrying them, I have no doubt there would have been many more dead deer in camp last week.

RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

c903 - Why is that sad ??

Budbowhunter - On a differnt topic altogether ... if a convicted felon is release from prison, all rights should be restored to him/her. If that person is still a threat, then kepp them locked up. if they're release, then it means the public is safe, correct ? Static debated that one at one time .. very good arguments he posed there.

Stealth_Force - Some of the very best shooters fall apart with buck fever or get target panic. Irrelevant point I think. Really - is it that difficult to draw a compound 18"-20", with you at anchor being 85% letoff ?? And then compare that to the "holding" a longbow/recurve shooter has. Big difference between all three isn't there ? I have missed an elk and a whitetail with my longbow this year (my rookie season). Its different, WAY different, than a compound. Had I been using a compound I can guarantee I would have a new elk on my wall and a big KS whitetail rack.

pdq 5oh

" stealthy, hang a trad bow, compound bow, crossbow, and rifle on the wall. See the similarities and differences? Shoot each. See the similarities and differences? "

How about if I type them ?

rifle - stock, sights, accurate at long ranges, trigger, high energy, plastics/metal/wood construction

Crossbow - stock, limbs/wheels/string, sights, accurate at short ranges,trigger, high energy (short range KE) plastics/metal/wood construction

Compound - riser, limbs/wheels/string, sights, acurate at short ranges, trigger, high energy (moderate ranges KE) plastic/metal/carbon construction

longbow/recurve - wood riser, limbs/string, no sights, accurate at short ranges, no triggers, moderate energy ( low end KE) wood contcution

I am sure I missed some comparisons, but just looking at them, a rifle looks different, the crossbow and compound looks very much alike and the recurve/longbow looks different. Agree ?

" The real challenge/fun is getting close."

Is it ? Does equipment have that little to do with it ?

Charlie P - No, I am 0 for 2 this year. I am very humbled with shooting a longbow.

" Yea sure he could. He shot four whole arrows and no broadheads and he is ready to go hunting."

Absolutely. He can shoot as good as anyone here can out to 20 yards. Throw on mechanical Shockwaves and yes, he's ready to go.

What other requirments need to be met CP ? He can shoot well enough, the bow packs plenty of punch and shoots a staright arrow ?????????

" It would get more people in the woods which is good and bad.Good- increases revenue into hunting and strenghthens our numbers. Bad-it puts more people into the woods during bow season."

Agreed. The last point - isn't that a selfish one though ?

" You know I am going to have to try traditional equipment.Just to find out if it's as hard to master as you say, or if you just are a slow learner."

I tell ya, if nothing else you WILL be a better hunter for it. Why ? The stand locations have to be more precise, better angles, more concealed I think. You WILL learn to focus or you'll blow every shot that comes your way. The focus is the part that amazed me. I never HAD to focus with a compound - put the pin where you want the arrow to go and release.

Slow learner ? No, I don't think so. I am not gifted with a natural ability to shoot a longbow/recurve. I would LOVE to shoot with some of the guys on here - especially JRW, LBR, Sagitarius, Shrewshooter and others. I think I could learn a lot. But I do work at it, i practice and my arrows fly very well. My form isn't bad although my release probably is. My consistant anchor always haunts me too. Over Thanksgiving I think I have a realistic chance at shooting at a deer. If I do and kill one, it will be my greatest trophy yet.

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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

stealthy,

Admittedly, I didn't read through all of the posts yet...just your original one but I have to wonder....

1. Don't we go through this every year about this time?

2. Are you going to play Devil's Advocate again?

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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Agreed. The last point - isn't that a selfish one though ? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Just being honest.lol. That is one of the reasons I started bow hunting(or should I say compound hunting)not as many hunters as gun season.

Devils advocate? I would say so.

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Boy, what a winding thread! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> SC is mostly right though. Having instructed kids for around 20 years on archery, it has become very clear that for some individuals it does not take very many shots with a modern compound to shoot very well in a very short period of time. But, bowhunting is not just shooting. Bowhunting is a specialized sport that takes years to learn all the 'angles' associated for big game hunters. Would I recommend someone shooting 4 arrows go hunting? No I wouldn't even though that person could shoot.

Just an interesting thing I have noticed over the years. I started shooting a recurve in 1960 and actually became proficient enough to do well in outdoor tournaments. I held out for several years refusing to join the compound gang. When I finally did it ways very easy to adapt. By observing many shooters over the years it became very apparent that people starting with compounds actually had significant problems with traditional equipment.

Finally, lets let hunters use what they use and get what enjoymant they can out of the hunt. It's a personal choice!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>