RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
 

Krisken,

<font color=red>&quot;As far as hitting the bulls eye goes,you show me the crossbow that puts it in a four inch circle each time at 100 yrds. and I'll buy it (maybe),right now I can do it at any time I want,with the bow I have. If you tell me the yardage first.&quot;</font id=red>


Please don't take this personally, but...

The best FITA compound shooters in the world can't even do that.

JRW

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I for one really see no advantage to using a crossbow. I have a 31&quot; draw and even with my hunting set up on any bow I have owned lately my bow is as fast as or faster than the best crossbows. My bow will also shoot flatter trajectories out beyond 35 yards. Of course this is just my opinion.

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Elsie said: <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>This is an age-old argument among those who love to toot their own horn. Why would anyone (especially us hunters) want to divide the troops when we're under fire from all the anti's? We really need to support each other instead of &quot;choosing sides&quot;. There are so many deer out there that it shouldn't matter to any one of us what the other guy uses.

Gee, I shoot a longbow so I'm better than my fellow hunter.
Gee, I shoot a compound so I'm better than my fellow hunter.
Gee, I shoot a crossbow so I'm better than my fellow hunter.

What a pile of crap!

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Thank you for a great comment!!!! You deserve a medal!

I've always thought that cross bows should only be allowed for disabled hunters in bow only season and used by anyone in gun season. However, I've been thinking about that stance the last few months and I guess it doesn't make sense. I asked myself, why don't I want cross bows to be legal for everyone to shoot in bow season? The only reasons that even crossed my mind, were selfish and bad for the sport of hunting. For example, if cross bows were allowed for everyone to use, there would probably be more people hunting in bow season, I guess that might make the woods more crowded. However, I hunt on 800 private acres with only 1 other person so it wouldn't even affect me. I then thought about the slobs that would pick it up and think they could kill deer at 100yrds with it. But then I remembered the slobs I know who use a compound and think they can kill deer at 50-60 yrds with it. I also know guys who will take a 300 yrd shot at a running deer. Slobs are always around and that is a poor excuse.

On the other side of that coin, if more people did hunt with them, it would be great for the sport of hunting. People might use a cross bow and then move into compounds or traditional equip. More people hunting is awesome for out sport and for protecting our freedom of hunting. So that being said, I guess I can't think of a good reason NOT to allow them in bow only season to be used by everyone.

Just my thoughts.

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Professional Bowhunters Society - You are right JRW - my bad

TxCowboy - Me too. I use to dislike crossbows too, and I live in a state full of them ! Your thought process is not unlike mine in this and any arguments I have seen against mine end up being all based on one thing - drawing the bow. I can list a dozen things that make a compound more non-archery compared to a recurve/longbow, but the crossbow haters don't want to listen to that. In other words, compare a crossbow to compounds yes, but lets not compare the compound to the recurve/longbow. Why ? When compounds are 98% letoff, can be held for 5 minutes, have drawlocs attached or something similar, weight 1 1/2 pounds, shoot 400 fps whisper quiet and with laser rangefinder sights out to 70-80 yards ... then what ? Still a bow in the same sense as a recurve/longbow ?

Elsie - The dividing and conquering is already at hand, have you not seen it ? Look at the fierce fights AGAINST legalizing crossbows ! Hunters against hunters. Maybe this is a backwards approach, but it seems TxCowboy and myself were anti-crossbow until REALLY thinking about it and realizing that it was just unreasonable and couldn't hold up to a solid argument. Maybe others will see this eventually too. Maybe I am wrong ....... but I have yet to see an argument prove it.
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I'm not going to get into the debate. I am going to suggest that if your friend is hitting his arm so hard then the drawlength is way too long for him and/or a form problem (too much ahnd in the bow). Plug into Bowsite.com/bowsite/features/practicalbowhunter to find out how your hand should be positioned on the grip.

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Stealthy , we agree on something!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Elsie and TxCowboy , right on!<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

krisken .....never mind , I wont even go there<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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&quot;Anyway, a coworker had a High Country Excalibur bow given to him. I took it home and spent about an hour tuning it.&quot;

&quot;He had never shot a bow before.&quot;

&quot;I showed him the basics.&quot;

&quot;He shot 4 arrows.&quot;

&quot;I have no doubts that he could go out this evening and kill any deer that walks within 20 yards +/- of him.&quot;


That simple, huh? Shooting a (barely tuned) bow for the first time, shooting only 4 arrows, and now he is ready to go out and easily shoot a deer and kill it. Sad!!

Edited by - c903 on 11/22/2002 00:01:09

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I don't believe we should ban anything. If we start banning crossbows, or compound bows, or traditional bows, or mechanical heads, or broadheads, or whatever, then the only people who have won anything is the anti-hunters. And they've won enough already. As I have posted before, and have no worries about posting again, I am a convicted felon. That means I can no longer pocess, carry, hold, fire, or hunt with modern firearms. That previledge is lost to me forever. Let me tell you folks something I've learned from that. You don't realize how much you miss something until it's gone. I used to hunt with a rifle every year until my conviction. Then afterwards I thought my hunting days were long gone. Only last year, after 16 years of not hunting, did I find out that I can legally hunt archery. Now, it's the most cherished hobby I have. More than fishing, golf, bowling, anything. The morale of this story is one of my favorite sayings, &quot;Be careful what you ask for, you might get it, and it might be more than you bargained for!&quot; Any other questions just read my signature below. Now I'll get down off my soapbox and stop preaching. Sorry to make this post so long.

KEEP IT LEGAL. KEEP IT SAFE. OR WE MAY NOT GET TO KEEP IT AT ALL.

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Amen C903.

KEEP IT LEGAL. KEEP IT SAFE. OR WE MAY NOT GET TO KEEP IT AT ALL.

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People new to archery OFTEN shoot VERY well indeed. I have NO doubt that this person is PLENTY accurate for deer....at least for now! Wait till he is able to develope some nice bad habits. Then wait for the dreaded target panic (that 90% of archers have...MOST don't know it, many won't admit it).
As for a compound being TOO easy, You STILL have to draw and hold to shoot. ALL the energy the arrow gets, it from YOU drawing (Not a cocking stick, not a crank, not 3 men and a boy pulling the string while using a foot stirup) I don't care if it's 10% let off, or 90% let off, ALL the energy the arrow gets comes from YOU drawing the bow. Even at 90% let off, you STILL have to pull 70# on a 70# bow.
As for being able to hold and shoot where a trad bow can not...a trad bow most often is drawn and fired in 1 motion (something REALLY tough to do with a compound). Also, you can't (easily at least) rest the bow while shooting it. Gimme some sand bags, and a crossbow, and I'll shoot agains't most any archer for beer!
Bottom line, compounds STILL need to be shot by archers...crossbows can be shot by anyone with a finger, or a string tied to the trigger (OK...not accurately, but it CAN be shot). The best arguement FOR crossbows is that they STILL need to be in a very close range to shoot deer. close enough for deer to see,hear, and smell you. Not the same thing as a 7mm Mag now is it?