how is this "hunting"
11-06-2006 | 05:44 AM
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RE: how is this "hunting"
Hey Huck,
did I tell you my son put a stalk on a doe back during the fall turkey season (overlaps early archery for deer) and got within 20 yards without spooking her? He was coming to full draw when she stepped into the thicket and never returned. Man, he was PUMPED!
The youth pastor at our church took up bow hunting this year and put a stalk on three does feeding in a field for crying out loud! I asked him how he hid and he said he belly-crawled through a wet ditch. He scored his first bow kill after a belly-crawl through mud, came up to one knee when they all three turned away, drew and waited for the clear animal to turn. She did and he put supper on the table. What an incredible story for anyone, much less a newbie. I think that's one preacher that's ready for western mulies!
did I tell you my son put a stalk on a doe back during the fall turkey season (overlaps early archery for deer) and got within 20 yards without spooking her? He was coming to full draw when she stepped into the thicket and never returned. Man, he was PUMPED!
The youth pastor at our church took up bow hunting this year and put a stalk on three does feeding in a field for crying out loud! I asked him how he hid and he said he belly-crawled through a wet ditch. He scored his first bow kill after a belly-crawl through mud, came up to one knee when they all three turned away, drew and waited for the clear animal to turn. She did and he put supper on the table. What an incredible story for anyone, much less a newbie. I think that's one preacher that's ready for western mulies!
11-06-2006 | 08:09 AM
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RE: how is this "hunting"
Where did you go in Hawaii?
11-06-2006 | 08:28 AM
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RE: how is this "hunting"
"...equipment?Yup Wild hogs in Hawaii?Yup Axis on Molokai with archery gear?YupBowfishing..."
Guess I misunderstood "Yup".
I used to be a regular on the old SOTH website - you know it's still goin on don't you? Huntingresource.com. Dave's a great guy; he wrote a real nice quip for my book. He's been through a lot, but seems to keep going and smiling.
If you ever get the chance (Vacation in Hawaii with an ulterior motive maybe), buy an out of state archery license - it's only about $100 (just need your hunter ed card). Head up the Pali Pass on the Pali Highway and take the Pali overlook off ramp. The entire Pali Pass is archery only for hogs and they're in season year-round! Stalk slowly into the wind along the sides and look closely. By the way, if you arrow one, look up while trailing - they tend to double back to drop the hammer on you - HA! Lots of fun though.
Guess I misunderstood "Yup".
I used to be a regular on the old SOTH website - you know it's still goin on don't you? Huntingresource.com. Dave's a great guy; he wrote a real nice quip for my book. He's been through a lot, but seems to keep going and smiling.
If you ever get the chance (Vacation in Hawaii with an ulterior motive maybe), buy an out of state archery license - it's only about $100 (just need your hunter ed card). Head up the Pali Pass on the Pali Highway and take the Pali overlook off ramp. The entire Pali Pass is archery only for hogs and they're in season year-round! Stalk slowly into the wind along the sides and look closely. By the way, if you arrow one, look up while trailing - they tend to double back to drop the hammer on you - HA! Lots of fun though.
11-06-2006 | 10:12 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: how is this "hunting"
Awful defensive Sylvan... Makes me think your not anything like a stalker but like them canned hunts. I am sure your just like a ghost in the wind inside that fence but doubt you have ever stalked a deer in the wild. Maybe sneak up on them while they are at your feeder or shoot them from your quad. They do have some nice deer in those enclosures in NY but I am sure you know that. How much did you pay for your last Buck andwas he ear tagged before you shot him? At least you get to save your real tags for next season.
Actually Iwas defending your right to hunt inside a fenceand am sort of surprised you can compare a guy in a tree stand to a guy leaning out the window of his truck. It is warmand toasty in there though isn't it..
I have gone on a pig hunt inside a fence and it was exciting when they chased the pigs along the fence.
Actually Iwas defending your right to hunt inside a fenceand am sort of surprised you can compare a guy in a tree stand to a guy leaning out the window of his truck. It is warmand toasty in there though isn't it..
I have gone on a pig hunt inside a fence and it was exciting when they chased the pigs along the fence.
11-06-2006 | 10:16 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: how is this "hunting"
ORIGINAL: iamyourhuckleberry
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I’m sorry, exactly why does a line have to be drawn?
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[/b]"I concede that some (if they are large enough) may be as "real" as no-fence hunting, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. So then it becomes an issue of acreage. Is 10,0000 acres OK? Is 1000 acres Ok??.
How about a 100??"
How about a 100??"
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I’m sorry, exactly why does a line have to be drawn?
A line has to be drawn between what is possible to do and what the law, or better yet, your conscience, will let you do in almost everything in life. If there is no line then it must be ok to hunt in 2 acre pen right? Is "hunting" in a two acre pen hunting?? How about 5 acres?? there is no line right??[/b]
Instead, it would be much easier to just eliminate the fence.[/b]
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Here we go comparing “illegal” to “legal” acts again.
Actually I propose making "canned-hunting" illegal (see signature line)
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I do understand what you are trying to ask. Education is the answer. Let’s teach Joe to call a rat a rat! Let’s hold the media accountable. When you see them call a “poacher” a “hunter” feel free to send them an email. Take offense; ask them to correctly use the English language. Make sure Joe knows how to connect the dots!
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Sorry we got our wires crossed here. This thread isn't about poaching. It's about hunters paying to hunt animals behind a high-fenced enclosure that prevents them from escaping
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"I agree that the TV camera and the commercialization of hunting have been a double edged sword, but am afraid you can not NOW go backwards regarding those issues. I believe only the market place demand will dicatate whether or not those things continue to be as large of a factor in hunting as they have been lately. But again, something I believe, we, as hunters, can and should do something about is canned hunting operations themselves, although it seems we have trouble as a group reaching consensus."
Why can we not go backwards? We can relive the issue ( on television they call it “instant replay”). After doing so, let’s teach Joe to call a rat a rat! Let’s hold the media accountable. When you see them call a “poacher” a “hunter” feel free to send them an email. Take offense; ask them to correctly use the English language. Make sure Joe knows how to connect the dots!
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We can't go backwards with the ever encompassing media and information now available to everyone. We can only speak out against what is wrong, not whether or not the media will determine to display the actions that we consider wrong. Your idea about emailing the media to point out the difference between a hunter and a poacher is a step in the right direction, albeit, a small one, and is certainly not the answer to the problem of canned-shooting.
I think the market place has already demonstrated its ability to stop malignancy-W.H.A case in point
Actually, according to your philosophy of "hunt/and let hunt", we should have really never spoken out against the WHA to begin with right?? After all, we shouldn't judge the way others hunt, right??
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I am all for hunts which offer a high degree of difficulty and a certain level of fair chase. I believe in the big tent theory-it’s all relative!
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Nonpardaid,
The Boone and Crockett Club, in its Fair Chase statement, advocates any hunting that is “the ethical, sportsmanlike and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the game animals.”
Garbage like that keeps me from paying any attention to Boone and Crockett/Pope and Young.[/b]
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Nonpardaid,
The Boone and Crockett Club, in its Fair Chase statement, advocates any hunting that is “the ethical, sportsmanlike and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the game animals.”
Garbage like that keeps me from paying any attention to Boone and Crockett/Pope and Young.[/b]
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11-06-2006 | 10:22 AM
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RE: how is this "hunting"
I am all for hunts which offer a high degree of difficulty and a certain level of fair chase. I believe in the big tent theory-it’s all relative!
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11-06-2006 | 10:43 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: how is this "hunting"
Sylvan.. I really do apologize. I don't know you or how you hunt. I was out of line and way to defensive. As long as it's legal you can hunt your way and I will hunt mine.Good luck to you in whatever you do. I was being what I usually call a "JERK". Again, I apologize and did not mean to make a personal attack with no basis that I am aware of.
11-06-2006 | 11:13 AM
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RE: how is this "hunting"
Planter I'd sure like to buy you a beverage of your choice mister. I do believe that's the first apology I've ever seen on a hunting forum (guess I spend too much timereading bowsite). Regardless of your position you just gained some respect in my book.
11-07-2006 | 07:06 AM
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RE: how is this "hunting"
Hillybilly,
“Better yet, your conscience”
You make it sound like hunting is a religion. Ok, let’s go with that. Hunting, like religion, has a multitude of believers and practitioners. In religion, people pray to God, to the Devil, to idols, to dogs, to cats, etc. Each religion has its own belief and customs. Essentially, they all have their own way of doing things (rules and guidelines-but none are exactly the same). So let’s go ahead and draw a line. Let’s establish the law! Let’s tell the Jews they cannot worship Yahweh. Let’s tell the Muslims that Mohammad is out. If you say the Holy Mary before breakfast, then you’re a pagan! Is this what you’re going for? Believe in my God or else! How are we going to enforce this new law? Oh, that’s easy! Just like eliminating the fences in hunting, we’ll eliminate the mosques, the pagan churches and the synagogues! You bet, let’s draw the line! Next week, shall we say hunters east of the Mississippi are slobs? Sounds pretty Sanctimonious to me!
No, I do not worship the Devil, but I tolerate those that do. When they knock on my door, I simply say “NO THANK YOU”!
I said “I think the market place has already demonstrated its ability to stop malignancy-W.H.A. case in Point”
You responded “Actually, According to your philosophy of hunt/let hunt, we should have really never spoken out against the WHA to begin with right?? After all, we shouldn’t judge the way others hunt, right?
My answer- right! In my opinion (my conscience) hunting should never become a contest. I believe I stated earlier that I have no desire to compete with anyone. In my opinion, I believe the use of bait is unethical. In my opinion, canned hunting is unethical. Are they malignancies? Yes, in my opinion. But, they may not be in the religion/hunting of others. I have never cast a vote (nor do I want to) to make anyone of these subjects illegal. I truly believe that we live in the land of the free and the brave. That we all have choices, and for having such, we all need to exercise tolerance. I cannot help but envision Hillybilly standing out on the porch while firing his rifle towards the sky (Similar to the image I was given by Saddam Hussein). Yes, the almighty dictator. Do it my way or I'll destroy you! Remind me not to vote for you buddy. Then again, maybe I won’t have a choice.
If you would, please sent me a photo where a gun is being held to your head and forcing you to participate.
Open your mind…hunt and let hunt!
Charlie,
You define it. It applies to your stlye of hunting.
But Let's go ahead and look at my style. Let's consider Afognak Island for example. Now, given numbers one and two listed above, and with bow in hand, off I go. Numbers four and five have been satisfied. If your have ever hunted with me, then you'll know that, for me, killing an elk is just a matter of time. Honestly, where can the elk go? They're on an island right? Take away numbers oneor two and we now have a new ball game.
A certain level of fair chase is relative to each one ofus individually. My abilities are not yours and yours are not mine.
JJ,
Please give Casey an "ATTA BOY" and slap your pastor on the back for me. However, forewarn them. Their style of hunting is on the way out! They'll need to, in the near future, learn to chase deer naked through the woods. Breakingthe deer's necks using only thier bare hands will be the only approved method of hunting. Right Hillybilly?
Oh no! We'll have to rewrite the record books!
“Better yet, your conscience”
You make it sound like hunting is a religion. Ok, let’s go with that. Hunting, like religion, has a multitude of believers and practitioners. In religion, people pray to God, to the Devil, to idols, to dogs, to cats, etc. Each religion has its own belief and customs. Essentially, they all have their own way of doing things (rules and guidelines-but none are exactly the same). So let’s go ahead and draw a line. Let’s establish the law! Let’s tell the Jews they cannot worship Yahweh. Let’s tell the Muslims that Mohammad is out. If you say the Holy Mary before breakfast, then you’re a pagan! Is this what you’re going for? Believe in my God or else! How are we going to enforce this new law? Oh, that’s easy! Just like eliminating the fences in hunting, we’ll eliminate the mosques, the pagan churches and the synagogues! You bet, let’s draw the line! Next week, shall we say hunters east of the Mississippi are slobs? Sounds pretty Sanctimonious to me!
No, I do not worship the Devil, but I tolerate those that do. When they knock on my door, I simply say “NO THANK YOU”!
I said “I think the market place has already demonstrated its ability to stop malignancy-W.H.A. case in Point”
You responded “Actually, According to your philosophy of hunt/let hunt, we should have really never spoken out against the WHA to begin with right?? After all, we shouldn’t judge the way others hunt, right?
My answer- right! In my opinion (my conscience) hunting should never become a contest. I believe I stated earlier that I have no desire to compete with anyone. In my opinion, I believe the use of bait is unethical. In my opinion, canned hunting is unethical. Are they malignancies? Yes, in my opinion. But, they may not be in the religion/hunting of others. I have never cast a vote (nor do I want to) to make anyone of these subjects illegal. I truly believe that we live in the land of the free and the brave. That we all have choices, and for having such, we all need to exercise tolerance. I cannot help but envision Hillybilly standing out on the porch while firing his rifle towards the sky (Similar to the image I was given by Saddam Hussein). Yes, the almighty dictator. Do it my way or I'll destroy you! Remind me not to vote for you buddy. Then again, maybe I won’t have a choice.
If you would, please sent me a photo where a gun is being held to your head and forcing you to participate.
Open your mind…hunt and let hunt!
Charlie,
You define it. It applies to your stlye of hunting.
But Let's go ahead and look at my style. Let's consider Afognak Island for example. Now, given numbers one and two listed above, and with bow in hand, off I go. Numbers four and five have been satisfied. If your have ever hunted with me, then you'll know that, for me, killing an elk is just a matter of time. Honestly, where can the elk go? They're on an island right? Take away numbers oneor two and we now have a new ball game.
A certain level of fair chase is relative to each one ofus individually. My abilities are not yours and yours are not mine.
JJ,
Please give Casey an "ATTA BOY" and slap your pastor on the back for me. However, forewarn them. Their style of hunting is on the way out! They'll need to, in the near future, learn to chase deer naked through the woods. Breakingthe deer's necks using only thier bare hands will be the only approved method of hunting. Right Hillybilly?
Oh no! We'll have to rewrite the record books!