What are you protecting huckleberry so much for Johnson is he your secret brother? secret father? or secret lover? I said i was done onthis but topic but I cant resist now you are insulting someone else on hear saying "oh i bet his game room is bigger than your house" thats like saying "well my dad can beat up your dad" you need to grow up and quit bitching its ok that your panzie ass hunters that have to feel like big men when you shoot animals that are caged up. Hey how bout we go to the pound later and kille some puppys and kittens? Anyone up for that?

Cowboy,

Mark Twain once wrote: It is better to sit in silent and appear ignorant than to open your mouth and reveal the obvious.

You might heed his advice.

Again, have a nice season, good luck to you.

...you might want to use MS Word or some other processing software to author your responses - spell check and grammar check pard - use it.

Keith Warren told me they installed high fence around his property in Texas to keep people and animals off his property. He also has plenty of room for animals to live and die without ever leaving - fence or no, but his management program only works with a certain amount of control. Neighboring animals hit his food plots and water during extreme drought hard. Since installing the fence, the animals on his place are well fed and hydrated thus producing a better balance. It’s a case of poor nutrition for all, or good nutrition for some – sad but reality.

In Indiana, I wouldn’t think twice about installing a high fence if I only owned enough real estate. There’s plenty of water here, but a high fence would be about the only way to keep poachers and trespassers out. Again, sad but reality.

Actually Huck, I lived out west for several years and had several friends that went on bison "hunts" and I've been to some of the ranches that offer these things (and again, I'm not against that and would shoot one myself and may even have the head mounted or the rug--just as a kind of symbol of the old west--not a hunting trophy). What you did does sound different(and better) than many of the places I saw, but you have to concede that you know also what I'm talking about.


I can understand your feelings about this, BUT, I and many others "make it an issue" because to me, it does not represent hunting and because "Joe Public" may be too ignorant to know the difference. Obviously, many of these canned hunting operations would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth who had a sense of decency, and, just as I expect others not to Drink and drive or rob grocery stores, I expect other real hunters not to hunt behind high fences. Of course my expectations are not always a deterrent for any of those situations....neither is the law always, but it is still appropriate to have a law and expections.

I concede that some (if they are large enough) may be as "real" as no-fence hunting, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. So then it becomes an issue of acreage. Is 10,0000 acres OK? Is 1000 acres Ok??.
How about a 100??

Instead, it would be much easier to just eliminate the fence.

Also, I don't buy the argument that poaching has such a measurable effect (obviously only in certain areas--like Texas) that a fence is required for the Animals protection (If so then it is actually erected for the landowners financial protection)....and sorry, but if your in the "hunting" business, then losses from poaching are a "cost of doing business", besides a fence may stop a deer, but it won't stop a redneck with wirecutters.

Let me ask you a question: If we take away the TV cameras and other media sources, then does it matter to you if someone is raped or murdered 100 miles from your house??? How does it effect you???

Now I am not stating that rape and murder are the same thing as canned hunting, and I would expect the consequences to be much different (I know that's a load off your mind) even if all canned hunting was banned. I'm just using that comparison to illustrate a point.

I agree that the TV camera and the commercialization of hunting have been a double edged sword, but am afraid you can not NOW go backwards regarding those issues. I believe only the market place demand will dicatate whether or not those things continue to be as large of a factor in hunting as they have been lately. But again, something I believe, we, as hunters, can and should do something about is canned hunting operations themselves, although it seems we have trouble as a group reaching consensus.

I for one, although am against all high fenced hunting, would fight against specific operations (such as that Bellar/Jimmy Houston type operation) where we could get more agreement between all hunters. I would not sacrifice my own convictions but can choose my battles wisely

hb

Keith Warren =Climax of the Hunt video=joke.

The guy who I watched yesterday with his expert staing Deer, are just like pigs and Cattle that Keith Warren?


My problem with any high fence rea is this, what if that Buck wan't to bed on the other side of the fence.Your fencing in a wild animal, introducing genes, supplements,might as well whack'em with steroids.

Hillbilly - you make some valid points and you actually read the posts rather than just ranting and raving; I'll talk to you.

I've been on a bison "hunt" as you described. It was a place outside Gold Creek Montana. The fenced area was 800 acres, but it might as well been a corral. It was not much fun and I didn't consider it a hunt, rather just going to the grocery store. I tanned the hide because it's beautiful, but it's not a trophy in any sense. The meat on the other hand was excellent. I'd never video it and sell it as hunting because it isn't. The owner misrepresented himself by implying we'd be hunting 42000 acres. He indeed has 42000 acres, but that was multiple times more than the price quoted - I was NOT a happy camper.

However, because of the terrain and the critter hunted, I have been behind fences on much less ground and got my butt kicked. So your point of how much acreage is "enough" is a valid question. Part of the problem with Bellar and the rest of the canned hunt crowd in Indiana was they would not bargain or even discuss minimum acreage requirements. Drugging must be OUT - that was non-negotiable. The canned hunt crowd in Indiana couldn't even agree on a minimum acreage of 40 acres. So, Kyle Hupfer, the head of the Indiana DNR played hardball and said that's the end of it. The court battles continue, but their days are numbered in Indiana and I'm part of that battle as a proud member of the Indiana Bow Hunters Association.

You might think that these stories are inconsistent with my previous posts, but they are not. I'm a hunter first and foremost. I detest canned hunts for able bodied hunters especially the marketing of cervids across state lines which increase the likelihood of spreading CWD. However, there is a placed for fenced hunting - with the right mixture of terrain, space, herd sustainability, etc. - for a controlled experience different from that available on other private and public ground.

If you haven't tried it, then you really should. My first experience was the aforementioned bison hunt and I was dead against it based on my experience. Huck changed my mind and I gave it another try in another facility that catered to bow hunters and difficult hunting. I'm so glad he did because I now have something to do in the off season that's truly a challenge and just plain fun.

Guys you can listen to what other people tell you or you can reason within your own limited experience and develop a flawed conclusion. I'm an engineer and scientist - wrong conclusions are my enemy! I deduce conclusions from a myriad of data every day for a living. I was raised poor and made my own way - no one handed me anything. I earned my own way through college over 20 years ago and have made my own way and developed my own conclusions my entire life. I advise you do the same. Be your own person. Make your own mind, but do it based on real data and real experience, not hype and emotion (leave that for the lefties).

I'll add one more comment:

If the only reason you hunt is for trophies, you're hunting for the wrong reason. My most favored "trophy" is a tanned doe hide - my first with a bow and one of the most unbelievable days afield. I have racks that will score and others that won't - doesn't matter. My mounts are snapshots of memories that mean nothing to anyone but me. There are many and varied hunting memories to be made. Some I like, others I do not, but you'll never know if you don't try.

That's your opinion,don't be shocked when others have absolutely no desire to do it.


Why? I don't even like going on someone else's land and being put in a treestand.Couldn't imagine doing it behind a fence.



I'll just keep fishing in the offseason, happy with that.

We can agree on that I hope.

Charlie, let me ask you this - have you ever considered western spot-and-stalk hunting? Elk hunting? Coon hunting with dogs? Mountain lion hunting? Southern whitetail hunting with dogs? Aligator hunting at night with archery equipment? Wild hogs in Hawaii? Axis on Molokai with archery gear?Bowfishing? On, and on, and on, infinitum...

How many "kinds" of hunting have you tried? Did you ever try something new that you did not expect to like and turned out to like it very much?

I'm trying to make the point that I was dead set against fences from experience and have changed my mind due to another experience. You're making a conclusion based on emotion. The right place will offer a different experience that is challenging and fun. That's not my opinion, that's my considered and enjoyed experience. Been there - done that. Why not open your mind, take the advice of experienced hunters that have been there, make a reservation in the off season and give it a try. I guarantee you, the right place will change your mind. The wrong place will make you angry.

have you ever considered western spot-and-stalk hunting?yup Elk hunting? yupCoon hunting with dogs? Done it Mountain lion hunting?Nope Southern whitetail hunting with dogs?Nope Aligator hunting at night with archery equipment?Yup Wild hogs in Hawaii?Yup Axis on Molokai with archery gear?YupBowfishing
I wouldn't do any of then behinf a fence.
Ican get that from a free range hunt too.

It's not for me, you had fun fine.

So if I have no desire to go I don't have an open mind? As far as experienced hunters, why do I care what another person thinks I know myself and what I enjoy, fence hunting isn;t in the cards. If I'm going to spend my money it will be on a free range hunt,or a fishing trip with my kids.