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Today, my husband, his dad and myself went hunting. We were hunting in the same place as Tuesday, and that day, my dad-in-law took 6 shots at a deer. He was so disappointed he was going to "hang up his bow". My husband told him to get mechanical broadheads because the others may not have been flying right since dad didn't tune his bow to them. Well, we get into the stands about 1:30, and at 2:15 he comes to get us. He shot 2 deer thinking they were both does. One went 30 yards the other about 100. When we found them, we realized they were both button bucks - probably brothers. Well, needless to say, he was ecstatic. He was running around acting like a kid at Christmas. It was fun to watch, and we were so happy for him after the other day. God is Good!!:)

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I tried to post the picture of Dad with the both of them, but it didn't work. Sorry.<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Is he gona have them mounted?

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I wouldn't be happy about shooting two buttons instead of does, them are the bucks of the future.........geez

HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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JKT

ROTFLMAO!!

It is all I can do. I am stunned.

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Repeated

Edited by - c903 on 11/10/2002 10:57:27

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Have any of you ever made a mistake ? Well I have , I have also shot a button that came in running , stopped dropped its head to feed and was followed by another smaller deer, I also assumed it to be a doe. I was not proud of my mistake, but I was proud of my shot placement. Poor form in my opinion, worth 2 cents and if you want change I dont have any. You bash one for their mistake and then to ridacule and joke about their mistake, POOR FORM! Take a mistake and turn it into a learning experience not a humilitating and degrading experience.

Edited by - Lady Forge on 11/09/2002 21:39:20

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Thank you Lady Forge.Dad had no idea until after they were dead that they weren't does. As a matter of fact, he kept calling them does the whole time we were field dressing them. I'm sure glad for honest people like you who will admit that you also make mistakes sometimes. No wonder there was a post about being sick of some of the people on this site. As bowhunter's, we should be proud of any deer taken with a bow. Jeez you guys, lighten up.<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>
As for Luke 979, what was Dad supposed to do, start crying? It was an honest MISTAKE. I guess you are one of those perfect people who never make them, good for you.

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Man I can't believe some of the jerks out there just eating up the good post on this site.Congrats

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JKT; Not all buttons are the size of a mid size dog. I have one dog that weighs in at 47lbs and the other weighs in at 140lbs, so what is mid size in your opinion? Here is a link to a photo of the button I shot laying next to the 8pt buck I shot. The buck weighed between 180 to 185lbs, does the button look like he weighs the same as a mid size dog to me? no. Click on my 2002 Deer http://community.webshots.com/user/ladyforge Are there differing sizes in deer from one location in the US to another location in the US. I believe so. The deer on my brothers land in Oklahoma are far smaller in body size than the body size of the same age deer in east central Illinois.The mulies on my mothers land in montana are much smaller in height but very fat looking. My husband shot a 11 point buck this am that we and the checkstation and meat processor have estimated the body weight at 240lbs-230lbs that from the steep angle and close yardage shot he shot it at made the body size look small.When I made a mistake I was not riduculeed or humiliated, I was educated in my mistake and showen the error I made and taught how to hopefully not repeat the same mistake again.

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lady forge you are right no one should be riduculeed for a mistake
but you summed up this post in one word

mistake

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The real point is not that her dad shot two button bucks, approximate ages 4 to 6 mo. He might have actually made 2 mistakes. Only he knows.

However, once it was discovered that two, almost fawn bucks, were killed, here is the real point.

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That statement reveals that there was no regret and that it will happen again. A mistake is a mistake only when you regret the mistake occurred.

To hell with beating around the bush! Get out of the field and take your family with you. You/they do not hunt, you/they just enjoy killing.

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My,MY,MY it seems that we have alot of perfect people out there. Never made a mistake, don't like to eat venison only like to ridicule others. My first question is was shooting 2 button bucks legal? If so then you folks need to get a life. If not well that may be another story alltogether.

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So, VBM, being legal is the bottom line for you.

Get past the mistake excuse. Whether or not it was a mistake became totally irrelevant when they celebrated. It is how they felt and how they acted, after the fact. Is that the hunting mentality you condone?

The guy took six shots at a deer with broadheads &quot;...that were not flying right because he did not tune his bow to them.” So they ran to the local market and quickly purchased a totally different broadhead, ran back to the field and quickly killed two semi-fawns and then danced a jig and praised the Lord.

A regretted mistake? Give me a @%$# break. This bs is becoming an epidemic.

Edited by - c903 on 11/10/2002 02:27:13

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Well my irate friend is a button buck sacred? I think not. Nor is the poor little female of the species...the doe. If a button buck is sacred to you then so should be the doe. If that is the case then you must be a truly mighty hunter to only take the largest and stongest of bucks. Maybe someday all hunters will be as gifted as you. Your command of the english language is amazing as well.

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Ladybowhunter Congrats to your dad on his deer and do not try to argue with this bunch of site cops on here, they are for the most part perfect hunters in all ways and from what I can see most of them only kill hugh bucks. Over the years I have taken a few button bucks and they tasted just like the other deer I have taken . I have said it before and I have always felt this way any deer taken under the fair chase rules with a bow is a trophy but anymore the horn hunters cant wait to jump on someone for not hunting their way.

Get off her back guys and be glad another hunter has scored and was very excited that he had.

Years ago a friend of mine killed a button I believe it was around 1966 and some of the guys I worked with called him bambi killer he just laughed and said well Bambi is in the freezer where is yours. I will always remember that he was proud of that deer and no amount of teasing could change that.

If you feel you must chastize someone for taking young deer then you are pretty close to being a PETA member and if you cant say something nice to someone about the fair game they have taken then for Gods sake keep your loud mouth shut.

JUST MY OPINION.

Edited by - royak on 11/10/2002 09:12:38

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Ladybowhunter Congrads to your dad on the successfull hunt!!! If he was out to take any deer that walks up and the law allows it then what does it matter if they bucks or doe??? They were deer bottom line all he needed to know is he had deer in range not what sex they were. I don't get it some people are horn hunters and others like myself are not, and if someone shots a doe or small buck they the horn hunters say you should let the bucks grow up that is there opinion not mine and the law allows me to take any deer with my tags. Though if he was in fact hunting doe and just waiting on big daddy to walk by then Luke has a point in making sure of your target, but by your post I don't feel this is the case and he done exactly what I would have done, This is what I say &quot;if it's brown it's down&quot;.
Again Gongrads on the deer and hope you get somemore!!!

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Lady, Congratulations no matter what some of the scum around here say. Just because they were buttons does not mean they were 4-6 month old bucks. You just can't tell sometimes.

Has anyone here come up with a recipe for the rack of a buck? I haven't and that's why I don't hunt for trophies. I hunt for meat. When I figure out to cook that 8 points rack so its edible I'll be a trophy hunter like the rest of you.

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Redbow; Wouldnt this be exactly the right place to post on the internet regarding a hunting mistake? It does say below the topic forum for bowhunting&quot; and learn how to be a better bowhunter&quot;.

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LadyBowhunter,
Congrats to you dad. Any deer taken with a bow is a trophy.


&quot;Born to Hunt Forced To Work&quot;

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This statement speaks loudly of the mentality that is present.

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This statement speaks loudly and requires no further comment. It is self-explanatory.

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In my time, I too have made mistakes and bad choices. But I did/do not adverstise and celebrate them.

Did not some of you bust out some shooters for shooting a doe that had fawns or early yearlings in tow because your belief was that the young would not survive?

As I have often said, there are the real bowhunters, and then there are the others. Nevertheless, it is a person's right to choose where they stand. I will stay with the real side.



Edited by - c903 on 11/10/2002 11:03:25

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So he shot button bucks ...big deal...alot of people have shot one by accident. Next time he'll have to look real close between their ears for the bumps before he shoots. There's plenty of bucks out there to seed the does for next year.

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Ok, I have to admit this post really fires me up. I personally have over time become a trophy hunter, I also harvest numerous does a year. Regarding the taking of two button heads I say congratulations on a succesful hunt. The way I read this post was that a relatively inexperianced bowhunter filled his tag and was thankful. I have made mistakes before I can admit it. My first two deer were a button head and a little doe killed in the same morning by myself when I was 8, Does this make me a bad hunter, did it take away from my dads pride, was he humiliated that his son kill a &quot;sacred&quot; button buck no my picture was taken with my deer right beside the 8pt he killed the very same morning. Were these picture hidden or just kept to ourselves, no. I've matured alot as a hunter since then, as well I should it was almost 20 years ago. But just last year I mistook a button head for a doe on doe day during gun season here in Ga. Does this make me unresponsible???(sarcasim intended) I wished at the time that it wasn't a button head but I was proud of the shot and went about as if it was just another doe. Am I ethically wrong for this, no I am proud to be a hunter as we all should be and to be practicing my sport in a manner that I consider ethical. So lets lighten up be it a button head or a basket 6 a trophy is in the eyes of the hunter.

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c903 Could you please explain to me what a real bowhunter is and please tell me how much experience you have How many years deer hunting and how many with a bow.

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Aaaahh, these guys are just jealous because they'll have to work a little harder to find a buck next year. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Congratulations to your father-in-law on two clean bowkills.

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royak

If I have to tell you what a &quot;real&quot; hunter is, bow or firearm, I believe I would just be spinning my wheels.

As for time in grade; long enough to know that the once common ethics of bowhunting has changed for the worse, and that bowhunting has been invaded by wrong types.

I have harvested my share of deer, but never any fawns or early yearlings. Could have, and still can, but I will never, intentionally.

Bowhunting is for those who want the challenge more than the kill. Killing very young deer is no challenge. Also, there is not much to eat once a 50-75 lb deer is completely butchered. Maybe a couple of venison burgers.

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I agree with C903. My only question is if one button buck was shot, which is understandable, was this deer recovered before the second one was shot? And if so, shouldn't more care be used to determine that the next one was not? Bowhunting is not that easy and it is very difficult to determine if a deer is down until you find them. I myself am not a trophy hunter, but I am not starving either, if I was hunting for survival I may be more likely to harvest a young deer, but I hope that it never comes to that. I can understand that some people NEED meat and with that I give some consideration. I have been bowhunting for 10 years, and only have two kills. I have passed on many many animals that others would not, it has nothing to do with a huge rack, I just enjoy watching animals in nature and I have never taken a less than perfect shot either. In fact, I have passed on many perfect shots because the thought comes in my head that his deer has probably not even gotten to live through a year, and I think every living creature deserves at least that.

HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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Lady congrats to your father in law. Dont let some of the SO CALLED EXPERTS on here tick you off. He had every right to be excited any deer taken with a bow is someones trophy regardless of wether it is a buck,doe or in this case a button. I have taken a couple of buttons and to tell you the truth it didnt matter. The game commission expects a certain amount of buttons to be killed and to say that it hurts the resourse goes to show that some dont understand deer management.

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Dale/PA

I have to totally disagree with you. Killing button bucks most definitely hurts a certain aspect of future resources. Apparently you know what that particular aspect is. To validate your knowldge of game management, would you mind enlightening the readers?

Additionally, he killing of button bucks can have a long-reaching, down the road, detrimental affect on the health of a deer population, does and bucks. Care to tell us what that affect can be?

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C903 and luke make some good points about the ethics issue with SOME bowhunters that don't take the time to make a good shot or make sure they have there bow and acc. setup properly. I for one in my first years of bowhunting didn't always do the right thing by making sure my bow was setup proper and taking not very good shoots, I didn't have anyone to guide me at early age as to was is right and what is wrong and how to do this or that, this does not make it right but with age and maturity I have grown into what I feel is and ethical hunter and I am big enough to admit that I have made mistakes(and i am not say anyone else here is or has been unethical in the past) but I did learn from them but again that doesn't make what I done right because it wasn't but I did take something from it.
To say someone is not doing the right thing by shooting a young animal is flat out wrong IMHO but that is my opionion not anyone else's and I will not try and push this on someone or down someone that doesn't beleive the way I do unlike some who have posted in this thread.
To say it is not hard to take a young deer is also wrong, there is a reason why the conservation depts allow this so the deer pop doesn't get sick or over populated CWD ring a bell to anyone???????
I have had more young deer bust me than the larger so called smarter deer every nice buck I have seen walk into bow range has bit the dust but the doe and yearlying deer have faired much better against me. But that is my observation yours may be different. If you want to trophy hunt that is fine with me but don't put down me for the way I hunt either. If I go out today and have a button buck walk up it is getting a arrow and I will be here posting it so you can bash me but you know what I don't give a crap what you say I done what the law allows and I will be proud of it.
I kind of like to think ANY deer is a throphy not just the one's that get hung on the wall!!!!

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Way to sidestep your amount of experience c903 and if it is your decision to only shoot hugh deer as I did see a post from you wanting people to show their does. Then so be it but if I kill a button then only one deer is taken out of the pool where if you take a health doe then how many in total have you taken out. I know many people dont see it this way and that is their right and I will not debate my ethics with anyone on the internet face to face yes but the more I hear from you the more I think of a PETA person.

And I dont think you can even come close to telling me what a real hunter is for you my friend have not a clue.

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Buckblaster and royak

In all seriousness, and not being sarcastic, you need to learn reading comprehension. You threw the wrong switch and now your going down the wrong track.

Your position has been recognized and so recorded.

Thank you

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Edited by - c903 on 11/10/2002 17:59:38

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Congrats to your father-in-law!

But...I do think some more time might be spent at the practice range becoming more familiar with his equipment. Or at least take the time to properly tune all accessories. Any deer, large or small, deserves that.

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Congrats to your father in law on his KILLING.

He can shoot all the button bucks he wants as long as they are not on my property. I would only question why he didn't track the first fawn before shooting at the second fawn.

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For all of you who congratulated Dad on his 2 bow kills, he and I thank you. Let me just say something to the negative people out there.
Dad hasn't been successful hunting for the past 3 seasons. Here in New York, it is legal to shoot 2 button bucks, and no, he did not KNOW they were buttons before he shot them. When he found out, he was still glad because it puts venison in the freezer, and I THOUGHT that's what hunting was about.
Dad hasn't gotten into the woods much these past 3 years because his wife was battling cancer. Maybe some of you will remember me asking you to pray for her last year. Mom died in May of this year, and Dad hasn't had much happiness since then. If it took these 2 buttons to make him act like a kid at Christmas, well all I can say is good for him!
I'm sorry some of you guys feel so inclined to judge others. Why can't you just be happy for a fellow hunter and his success.

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Sorry to hear about your dad's loss. Doesn't change a thing. Judgement is what keeps things from spinning totally out of control.

Those who condone the recklessness in the field can be as happy as they wish. Those of us that do not condone the recklessness do not have to accept it no matter how much you and others want us too.



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