No biggie......(But I think it was MP-29's)....lol.

The point I was trying to make is......he's going to play the BEST equipment out there......REGARDLESS of how much money he's getting paid. He made that evident when he went AWAY from the NIKE driver a while back.....basically telling them...."either get it right....or I won't play your driver". These guys on TV have access to ANY product.....and ANY product would pay them to utilize their wares. I think they'll use what they believe in.......like Tiger.

That was the reason for my analogy.

Jeff

Not quiet the same deal SBGobblers. You can kill a deer with just about any broadhead. If a club sends the ball into the next county for you but in the wrong direction, you can't win. These guys DO use what they're paid to use. It's a known fact, ask any of them. They can kill a deer with a Hoyt, Darton, Bowtech or whatever, but most of them are bought by MMMMmmmmmmmmm because no one else is willing to pay the bucks. We all know they're NOT the best bow.

And ya'll lighten up on the rookie. He'll learn. I especially got a chuckle out of "Get off my message board"[8D][8D][8D] Ridelin wouldn't help that foot in mouth. Someone should have taken the time to explain to him we've had people come on here before posing as something they're not, giving us sob stories about not being able to buy this or that. Our gererous members were always willing to share until they found the stuff they donated to the unfortunate yearling being sold for money. It does tend to make you a little skeptical of the next guy.

AND, as far as the mechanicals being so great, I think there will always be a division within the bowhunter ranks on this one. We know they don'tpenetrate as well. People talk about all the "EXPERTS" using them. I think we also have seen the degradation in penetration they have from the old videos. When everyone shot cut to the tip, muzzy or Thunderheads it was almost always a total pass through. Recently I've noticed half penetration on close up animals with these things, so they're not the best they can hunt with, just that which pays them the best.

Somebody sell this kid some expadables and make $50.00 will ya








SB,
you are the man for comparing "hunters" on tv to Tiger Woods. I really got some "shock factor laughter" out of that. No offense at all but 99.99% of goobers on TV are not "tiger Woods caliber hunters". I would say that many are very thankful for the sponsors that they can get (and rightfully so)to support them and must show it (thankfulness and "company spirit")accordingly.

David

I have not seen the problems you are mentioning. I shoot lots of hogs each year, and there is very few animals that have as thick of skin, and I get pass throughs ever time on double lungers with expandibles. That is unless I hit the back shoulder blade, but then agian, I have had my 300 wby stopped by the back shoulder on a hog. And if it stops a 180 grain bullet cruising at 3200 ft/sec, then it is no wonder why it stops an arrow. (I cook my own bullets and cronie them).

Too each his own. What ever works, keep using it. Im just not ready to dam expandibles. I did a lot of that when they firstcame out, then I broke down and tried them.

The market for expandables exists only because some hunters can'tor won'tget their bows tuned properly.Is there really any other reason to use something that, by its' naturehas amuchlarger possibility for failure? Fixed blades are always exposed.

Expandables have come a long way but they still have a far greater chance of failing than fixed blades no matter how well made they are. They also can give a hunter with a poorly tuned bow a false sense of security. An arrow that is not flying well can impact in such a way as to exagerate the loss of kinetic energy when the arrow hits.

Hillbilly:

I wasn't comparing all TV hunters with Tiger Woods. I specifically mentioned, earlier, the Primos boys. Brad Farris has my utmost respect as an outdoorsman.....and he's shooting expandables. I just don't think the Primos boys have to sell out to the highest bidder. THAT is what I was using as the basis of my comparison.

And David.....

This VERY SAME "type" argument was brought up the entire time I was a PGA Professional by the makers and proponents of component clubs. They claimed that the ONLY reason the PGA TOUR guys were playing OEM equipment.....was because of the endorsement $$. I can tell you that ALL top name golf equipment, today, is TOP NOTCH. You make it seem like a far stretch between what Tiger plays and what his competitors are playing. It isn't. They ALL make FINE equipment.

The only way for you to dispel what I say is for you to propel me to prove a false positive. It's hard for me to dispel soemthing that isn't a fact.

And David......Lee Trevino used to say "It ain't the arrows, boys....it's the Indian". Don't you be fooled. In Tiger's case......it's the Indian, too......but he's head and shoulders above the rest of the field right now..........regardless of which "arrows" are in his quiver.

Jeff

I shoot mechanicals because of the 2" cutting diameter they offer, as well as the extended accuracy I feel they offer on those 40-50 yard shots. In my experience with fixed heads which is fairly extensive I have seen even with a perfectly tunedbow that they are not as consistent at those long distances for what I consider acceptable accuracy. Before we get into debates on shot distance and ethics, I don't take any random 50 yard shots however I will take certain shots under perfect conditions at those distances because I know I am effective at those ranges under those perfect conditions.I have seen in my experience a mechanical shoot better out of a well tuned bow atthose distances than a fixed blade head. I carry both fixed and mechanicals in the field with me. I will have rage slip cam 2 blades this year, as well as either a slick trick, shuttle, or muzzy mx-4 for fixed blades.

BTBowhunter

That is why I posted this earlier. The physics behind them is solid. I acutally use them for my physics classes as an assignment to calculate multiple vector systems.

I have seen many fixed heads fail the shooter when they do not have them tunned properly. But I agree, too many people use them as a band aid. Which is a big mistake. They are just another tool. And like Rick James stated, fixed can have a tendency to plan out. I have seen this out at 30yrds with thunderheads. Thats why I dont shoot them even with my traditional bows.

Which is precisely why I carry 2 in my quiver for turkeys. Them critters have room for such a small margin of error, I want all the cut I can get on them yard birds. On top of that, they burn so much KE upon entry, most times the arrow stays in the bird and if all goes to plan, he can't fly off.

Oh but my friend how I disagree with that statement. I suppose it comes down to how experienced or how much actual time you put into a bow/arrow combo. When I went on my elk hunt, I was drilling the 12 ring of a MeKenzie Elk out to 75 yards with every arrow tipped with a Muzzy. I couldn't possibly shoot groups at 40 and 50 yards for fear of shaving vanes and ruining arrows.

Just last week I threw a couple Muzzy's on my ACC's for the first time out of my Bowtech. The were dead on, slightly high (nothing a sight move wouldn't fix) and they were that way, the exact same spot out to 50 yards. I can get these broadheads to fly as accurately out to these long ranges as I can my field points. Now mind you, I haven't even tried to do it with any other fixed blade head other than Muzzy in over 10 plus years.