I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
08-23-2006 | 02:16 AM
#81
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 4,668
Likes: 0
From: NY
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: SaskBushMan
I think everyone needs to go and re-read the original post. No where does atlasman say anything against people who use these gadgets What I get out of it is look around the board there are so many post about fenced hunts and things like that when the same person who is complaining is the same guy who starts a thread about baiting or what to plant in their food plot(not that there is anything wrong with that if its legal hav at it who cares what others believe) but how is that considered fair chase when having a food plot or a feeder is almost better than a fence because you no exactly where the deer will be and know they will be there. As far as what atlasman says about gear my take on it is that having a fast bow is a big advantage over say a traditional bow for example IMO anyone could pick up a compound and be able to take a deer within a few days(same with high powered rifle) ask any traditional shooter if that is possible with a recurve or long bow I bet I know what they would tell you(not saying that your not a real hunter unless you use as primative tool there is because that is just not true). As far as trail cams, how is that fair are they once again you know exactly what is there and when it is going to be there. No where does atlasman condem(sp?) anyone for using them as he has stated everytime he has defended his post. Maybe I am reading his post wrong but this is what I get out of it. Good luck and stay safe this hunting season.
I think everyone needs to go and re-read the original post. No where does atlasman say anything against people who use these gadgets What I get out of it is look around the board there are so many post about fenced hunts and things like that when the same person who is complaining is the same guy who starts a thread about baiting or what to plant in their food plot(not that there is anything wrong with that if its legal hav at it who cares what others believe) but how is that considered fair chase when having a food plot or a feeder is almost better than a fence because you no exactly where the deer will be and know they will be there. As far as what atlasman says about gear my take on it is that having a fast bow is a big advantage over say a traditional bow for example IMO anyone could pick up a compound and be able to take a deer within a few days(same with high powered rifle) ask any traditional shooter if that is possible with a recurve or long bow I bet I know what they would tell you(not saying that your not a real hunter unless you use as primative tool there is because that is just not true). As far as trail cams, how is that fair are they once again you know exactly what is there and when it is going to be there. No where does atlasman condem(sp?) anyone for using them as he has stated everytime he has defended his post. Maybe I am reading his post wrong but this is what I get out of it. Good luck and stay safe this hunting season.
Give that man a cigar!!!!
WOW...........what a refreshing breeze of logic and reasoning from someone who actually took the time to read the thread and think about what it said.
08-23-2006 | 02:58 AM
#83
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
From: Live = Northern IL, Hunt = West Central IL
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
All:
He is right - there is no fair chase.
We are humans with a higher intelligence and they are "dumb" animals (in comparison to us). This is not fair.
If youuse a weapon and the deer does not - this is not fair.
If you drive to get to the area where you hunt, it is not fair.
If you use your knowledge of the rut to see more deer, it is not fair.
If you use your knowledge regarding where and when deer are more prone to be on the move, it is not fair.
Every new item we buy to improve our chances makes it a little more unfair.
Man against man and deer against deer is the only fair chase (each having the same access to their own God-granted capability set).
He is in the same boat that we are in, although I believe he feels the degree to whichis different.
Joking aside from above, I do believe I understand his point.
It does appear that with advanced technology, things may get out of control - very quickly.
Let all agree not to mention "fair chase" - it is a stupid term (see above)and get back to calling it hunting.
He is right - there is no fair chase.
We are humans with a higher intelligence and they are "dumb" animals (in comparison to us). This is not fair.
If youuse a weapon and the deer does not - this is not fair.
If you drive to get to the area where you hunt, it is not fair.
If you use your knowledge of the rut to see more deer, it is not fair.
If you use your knowledge regarding where and when deer are more prone to be on the move, it is not fair.
Every new item we buy to improve our chances makes it a little more unfair.
Man against man and deer against deer is the only fair chase (each having the same access to their own God-granted capability set).
He is in the same boat that we are in, although I believe he feels the degree to whichis different.
Joking aside from above, I do believe I understand his point.
It does appear that with advanced technology, things may get out of control - very quickly.
Let all agree not to mention "fair chase" - it is a stupid term (see above)and get back to calling it hunting.
08-23-2006 | 04:43 AM
#84
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,751
Likes: 0
From: Damascus MD
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: atlasman
I hunt the same as you do.
ORIGINAL: Diesel77
Hope you have a great season Atlas hunting the way you like doing it bud.
Hope you have a great season Atlas hunting the way you like doing it bud.
I hunt the same as you do.
Glad to hear you hunt like me.I would think most honest ethicalhunters do as well, according my own personal view of course.
08-23-2006 | 05:09 AM
#85
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,751
Likes: 0
From: Damascus MD
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
ORIGINAL: Fat Naked Guy
tehy do not, I gaurantee it ...........
I would think most honest ethicalhunters do as well
08-23-2006 | 06:42 AM
#88
Dominant Buck
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 21,043
Likes: 0
From:
RE: I think it's time to stop the "fair chase" charade
I agree that "fair chase" is in the eye of the bow holder.......
But....
If they legalize duct-taping poison-tipped arrows to the front of your ATV and letting you chase them down through baited fields......I won't sneer at you for doing so.
(And I hope I catch you on my game cam)
jeff
But....
If they legalize duct-taping poison-tipped arrows to the front of your ATV and letting you chase them down through baited fields......I won't sneer at you for doing so.
(And I hope I catch you on my game cam)
jeff
