I agree, but if you take notice of those pics you will see one common thing. Most of the mature deer standingover the corn come to it at night.

Second point if we have such a great advantage why is the success rate 30%(on average) for bowhunters? Looks like the deer win most of the time.

No matter how many gadets we have we can not predict what a whitetail is going to do.

WHEW! What a read!

After ten pages I think most finally caught what you were trying to say. I agree with you and others, it's all just a little "unfair", but that's that way it has to be. Unless we do what rybohunter said and "chasem down and snap their necks". Wait! That's not fair for us, because the deer can run faster than us and they can smell us a whole lot better than we can smell them.

I'll do my best not to use the term "fair chase" ever again. Let's all go out and HUNT and KILL legally. Most of all let's all have fun.

Good luck to all!!!!

Blah Blah Blah! You guys are beating a dead horse. All you are doing is fueling anti's arsenal by arguing with each other about who is wrong or right. I understand the original point that Fair Chase is used in a way that you don't agree with, but who cares?

Stop painting negative images of legal, ethical hunters. If you don't think it is fair...fine, don't use those tactics. But don't go on and on in a silly debate simply to debate. These type of threads give people bad impressions of legal, ethical hunters. Let me guess, now you'll want to debate ethical. Simply go out and stay legal and take the animal down as quickly and humanly as you can.

Stop stirring the pot, you make us all look bad.

WOW, here's a can of beans I missed.. What we should resort to a club like the cavemen?? Than we'd be unethical and inhumane.

Should we hunt with only a camera..But then a telephoto lens would be cheating??

I get the drift yes..even bowhunting is moving ahead with technology, so for your own piece of mindgo traditional and don't use the new state of the art stuff and accessories. I know you're not bashing current methods so to speak.

But i'll echo what others have said. If your game laws are followed then by rule it is fair chase. Fair as defined by, : conforming with the established rules : ALLOWED

After thinking about this topic overnight - I've come to the realization that Atlas - and some others (myself included)- are concentrating on the word "Fair" but that is not the issue. The term is "Fair Chase." One word in this term cannot be removed from the other and mean anything near the intent of the term.

Obviously it isn't "Fair" for the deer - they die in the end.
We have imposed laws to keep it from "Unfair Chase," for example no hunting at night with spotlights.

But further, we self impose morals and ethics to make ourselves feel better about the hunt, whether that be feeling more individually rewarded or otherwise.

And since by definition a self imposition is indivual, it can not be generalized.

What Atlas, or anyone else, sees as fair chase is correct as long as it lies within the confines of law and personal ethics/morals. Just don't confuse FAIR for Fair Chase - these are 2 very different concepts.

My gosh!
Where did atlas state even once, anything about any type of hunting any of us do? Everyone on here keeps rambling about this and that. You guys are the ones trying to flame. Atlas simply stated that the term "fair chase" is often misinterpreted and misused. He didnt state and conditions or terms that define fair chase, nor did he pick out any individual person to accuse of non fair chase hunting.
Some people need to pay more attention when they read. I read the original post and whatI got from it was that the term is misused and should be done away with. What is fair chase?, everyone will have a different answer and I say if it's legal, it's hunting. Fair chase or not.

I don't know you atlas, but I'm 100% behind you on this and anyone who flamed you needs to grow up. Just my .02 cents.

Very well put!!

Anthony T.

While I agree with you and Atlas, but having read most of his threads Atlas tend to like to preach to the rest of us(IMO). Tends to rub folks the wrong way. Atlas and I agree on a lot of things, but Atlas comes across the wrong way to me. I truly believe Atlas thinks his way of hunting is the only way. Because I own a farm andpractice QDM I am not"true Hunter" nor do I understand hunting true nature is his view.

Atlas made a great point, but who cares? Is Atlas waking up every night when a Game Camera goes off here in the USA? I think not, does he nearly faint when he thinks of me hunting by my food plot? I think not, Atlas just needs to make his points with out all the babble.

I can tell if Atlas has been in a thread just by scrolling thru it. Look for a thread with 6 and some one disputing what was just said.

I also love to read his threads because I also love a good debate. Atlas is very good at picking apart a thread. He keeps me on my Toe's.

If you want a good read go thru some of Atlas threads, you will learn a lot.

Atlasman,
You COULD argue that "fair" is only when we hunt bare handed and naked. This way the deer would be as they are in nature and we would be as we were therby givingneither a technological advantage.

Each hunter applies the term "fair" differently. It may not mean the same from one hunter to the other. As far as how a hunter applies it and as long as it's within the laws set up within that state that is certainly up to each individual hunter to decide what they consider fair.

There is no perfect answer to what is "fair chase" because it is not a term that has a technical definition in the hunting world. It is a term however used by hunters to describe a particular type of hunt that in their opinion is fair. And that's all it is. An opinion

Atlas loves to shoot those button bucks so how much does he really care about fair chase. Routinely shooting the dumbest animal in the woods speaks for itself. I had a button buck follow me through the woods in bow season like a little lost puppy would.
Baaa..Baaaaaa.....are you my mommy?

Just another troll thread.

Did someone say TROLL????It appears that you have a personal problem with Atlas and what he chooses to shoot. The dumbest animal in the woods is a rutting buck BTW.