potty break?
08-10-2006 | 02:26 PM
#71
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From: Jackson, Missouri
RE: potty break?
JNTURK... no, I think you kind of caught the tail-end of the discussion and that threw you off...
In any event, I'm not saying that human urine could be used in exchange for an attractant -- just saying that lettin' 'er fly off the stand brings with it no accompanying repurcussions (see Antler Eater's post above, though I'm not necessarily advocating actually peeing on the deer
). As stated earlier by one of my peers, I think the biggest concern with peeing from 17 feet up is the noise factor of it hitting the leaves. That, and getting caught with your pants down... but that would happen if you were going au natural or in a bottle, so it's a moot point.
The study which I referred to in my post (which I'm trying to locate where it was published; I'm citing it from memory) was conducted to see how deer and mature bucks in general reacted to different scents -- and specifically, those scents being deposited in their scrapes.
Doe urine, buck urine, human urine, and new-car scent were all applied in equal amounts, and over different time frames. To the people conducting the study, it was surprising to find that new-car scent actually evoked more "interest" than the doe urine did (probably because the deer had never associated danger with that smell -- unless one had survived a deer/car collison
), and human urine was equal to if not greater than buck urine.
Bottom line is... once urine has left its parent body, if you will, it takes with it no "human scent" and is not offensive to deer in the least. Manufacturers making a cheap buck off some hunters' fears sell -- what I believe to be -- these stupid "pee bottles" that, like I said earlier, are just something extra to carry into the woods and give you a chance to spill some yucky stuff onto yourself or yourtruck at a later date!
In any event, I'm not saying that human urine could be used in exchange for an attractant -- just saying that lettin' 'er fly off the stand brings with it no accompanying repurcussions (see Antler Eater's post above, though I'm not necessarily advocating actually peeing on the deer
). As stated earlier by one of my peers, I think the biggest concern with peeing from 17 feet up is the noise factor of it hitting the leaves. That, and getting caught with your pants down... but that would happen if you were going au natural or in a bottle, so it's a moot point.The study which I referred to in my post (which I'm trying to locate where it was published; I'm citing it from memory) was conducted to see how deer and mature bucks in general reacted to different scents -- and specifically, those scents being deposited in their scrapes.
Doe urine, buck urine, human urine, and new-car scent were all applied in equal amounts, and over different time frames. To the people conducting the study, it was surprising to find that new-car scent actually evoked more "interest" than the doe urine did (probably because the deer had never associated danger with that smell -- unless one had survived a deer/car collison
), and human urine was equal to if not greater than buck urine. Bottom line is... once urine has left its parent body, if you will, it takes with it no "human scent" and is not offensive to deer in the least. Manufacturers making a cheap buck off some hunters' fears sell -- what I believe to be -- these stupid "pee bottles" that, like I said earlier, are just something extra to carry into the woods and give you a chance to spill some yucky stuff onto yourself or yourtruck at a later date!
08-10-2006 | 02:37 PM
#72
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RE: potty break?
I use to be very wary over leaving my "scent" around my stand. Then one time I was in my stand for a while and had to go. I was feeling a bit lazy and didn't want to climb down and go. So I just went right out of the stand. About a half hour later I had a doe and her fawns come by. They walked right under the stand and did not spook. This same thing happened another time.
Since then I don't worry about it. I've taken quite a few deer after urinating out of the stand, though I'll admit, none were mature bucks.
Since then I don't worry about it. I've taken quite a few deer after urinating out of the stand, though I'll admit, none were mature bucks.
08-10-2006 | 02:41 PM
#73
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From: ELK GROVE CA USA
RE: potty break?
Greg,
I am sorry, i did miss understand what you were trying to get across. Yes i do agree with you that urine (human) does not seem to carry any scent that would alert a deer to the fact that a human is near by.
I am sorry, i did miss understand what you were trying to get across. Yes i do agree with you that urine (human) does not seem to carry any scent that would alert a deer to the fact that a human is near by.
08-12-2006 | 07:57 PM
#74
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From: Jackson, Missouri
RE: potty break?
Bobco,
Still looking through my mags when I get a chance off and on in an effort to locate that study for you (and hoping to hear back from the editorial staff at Bowhunter as well)...
I did find a column by Larry D. Jones in the December 2003 issue referencing human urine and deer's reactions to it... Basiclly, to save a LOT of typing, he peed in a scrape and set up a trail cam over it. He captured a lot of deer coming to it and investigating. I'll pull out some quotes detailing the results of him urinating around his hunting site...
"... but that our urine certainly didn't spook her -- or any other deer, for that matter."
Another...
"As a side note, I had 'tried' human urine on an earlier hunt in Kansas. Because I'd seen a large buck, I passed up opportunities at several small bucks and ended up spending a lot of time on stand. I'd forgot to put my 'relief' bottle in my pack, and for fear of spooking deer I didn't want to climb down out of my stand to relieve myself. So I sprinkled the ground from my stand. Within an hour a small buck came by and, with no sings of alarm, sniffed the freshly watered branches and leaves and continued calmly on his way."
Not the definitive study I am continuing to hunt for, but merely more ammunition at this point to back up my position.
Still looking through my mags when I get a chance off and on in an effort to locate that study for you (and hoping to hear back from the editorial staff at Bowhunter as well)...
I did find a column by Larry D. Jones in the December 2003 issue referencing human urine and deer's reactions to it... Basiclly, to save a LOT of typing, he peed in a scrape and set up a trail cam over it. He captured a lot of deer coming to it and investigating. I'll pull out some quotes detailing the results of him urinating around his hunting site...
"... but that our urine certainly didn't spook her -- or any other deer, for that matter."
Another...
"As a side note, I had 'tried' human urine on an earlier hunt in Kansas. Because I'd seen a large buck, I passed up opportunities at several small bucks and ended up spending a lot of time on stand. I'd forgot to put my 'relief' bottle in my pack, and for fear of spooking deer I didn't want to climb down out of my stand to relieve myself. So I sprinkled the ground from my stand. Within an hour a small buck came by and, with no sings of alarm, sniffed the freshly watered branches and leaves and continued calmly on his way."
Not the definitive study I am continuing to hunt for, but merely more ammunition at this point to back up my position.
08-14-2006 | 08:12 AM
#76
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From: Imler, Pa
RE: potty break?
i'd rather pee out of my stand than carry around a bottle of it till i got out of the woods. my luck it would leak and i'd get all wet, lol. i do it out of the stand whenever necessary and haven't once seen any disruptive affect to my hunting success. #2 on the other hand, i hunt close enough to home that i just head for the house, then go back out.
