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One BAD Day
Got up at 6am this morning and headed out to my hunting buddies property. The leaves were really wet this morning so we decided to sneak around on logging roads together and see what happens...
8am we sneak around a bend on a brushy logging road and catch a deer in the brush. The deer steps out into some thin brush to reveal a small 4pt. My buddy shoots and misses the small buck. We couldn't find his arrow. So we decide to continue on this logging road. 8:35am we sneak into a open acron flat. two does are feeding so I decide it's my turn to shoot. I let a arrow fly from the high country and my arrow nails the doe in the back similar to yesterday's doe. She humps up and starts walking with my arrow hanging out of her back. As she rounds the path my arrow falls out. I walk up the hill to where I hit her to reveal a small tree about as thick as two fingers was hit first causing the poor shot. So we sit down at the tree and look around at the blood. We give her about 35minutes and decide to sneak around tracking her. We start around the path to reveal her standing about 40yrds away still humped up like she was after the shot. Lots of blood on her back but she was not laying down. I nock a arrow for a second shot but she begins to limp away. We gave her another 15-20minutes and begin the track. But only to find she crossed a small stream that runs off the hill. We couldn't find anymore blood across the creek. don't know where she went? so pissed off and disgusted we returned to the logging road and decided to complete the circle back to the truck. 9:50am we find a small doe feeding around the corner of a field. My hunting buddy takes a 20yrd shot and drills her behind the shoulder. She high kicks and takes off. We retrieve his arrow and sit down to wait. Suddenly two more deer come trotting up the trail. The two deer trott to within 15yrds and stop. We both come to full draw on the two deer. Only one could be seen. I only had a shot at her hips and guts so I said take her. He could only see her head and neck and he missed her neck by no more then a inch. The two deer leave. 10:30pm we quit looking for the arrow he launched at the second doe and begin tracking the deer he hit. Nap 125gr. Shockwave cuts a nice hole with plenty of blood. After about 150yrds of tracking we find two beds the deer made. lots of bright red blood. We cross another stream at the bottom of the holler to jump the small doe. she runs out around the hill and falls. So we stand there and watch for her. She gets back to her feet about 60yrds infront of us and takes off again. So we sit down and wait again. After giving the deer 25 more minutes we start tracking again. Lots of blood for about 75yrds then no blood??? We start zig zagging up and down the hill for about 50-100yrds. No deer, no blood. We don't know what the hell happened? But needless to say, a very disappointing day. This morning definetly sucked. My buddy is going to hunt out of my climber next to where I took the doe yesterday. I on the other hand have to pick up another hunting buddy to hunt with the rest of the week. High Country Archery - "Driven to greater heights..." Edited by - Rob/PA Bowyer on 10/15/2002 22:50:43 |
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What happened to waiting on a poor shot deer, Give her a few hours she is dead. I would go back and look for her she is down. you zig zagged for about 50 to 100 yds and you think that was enough of a search??????
How can you continue to hunt when you have a wounded deer out there<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> With two deer hit Why would you take a neck shot at a third????? What happened to the one "drilled behind the shoulder" This is a Joke right?????? |
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I'm with Rack Attack I hope that this is a joke.
If not this is the kind of crap that gives all of us a bad...sounds like you just walked through the woods slinging arrows in every direction. Also in West Virginia you can't kill more than 1 deer a day, so if your buddy "drilled one right behind the shoulder" what the H*** is he shooting at another deer? Read your post again and I think you will realize just how BAD it sounds. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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I wish I did't even read that. |
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I'll second that ck.
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I'm with rack attack. Get your ass back out there and find those deer before you even think about shooting another one. That post was digusting.
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I've been told that if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. So..............
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SO WHAT! He knows what he did was wrong. |
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I have read this forum and these topics for quite some time. I have learned a great deal of solid information from my fellow archers out there. I have incorporated a lot of those techniques into my own bowhunting strategies. I have never felt the need to respond up until this story. If "antis" had but one topic to choose from to use as ammunition against hunting this would be it.
My only words in response would be an example of my last bowhunting dilemma. After not finding a doe in the evening I returned to hunt the next morning. I had several opportunities to "take" more animals but passed on all of them. Why? I had a responsibility to find the one I had not found and give it fair chase. I owe that to the animal and the respectability of those in and out of the sport. |
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I'm going to pretend I didn't read this post...................................
I can't do it..What the hell is wrong with you?! If you you dont have any more respect than that for the game you are hunting...DONT HUNT! You shoot a deer,you spend the rest of the day(and the next day if need be) recovering that deer!!!! You just put a serious dent in your local deer herd and for what? I am very disappointed in you HighCountry, very disappointed! <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> Edited by - trapperDave on 10/15/2002 13:39:38 |
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Damnit! you got me so worked up I hit the wrong button..thats supposed to be an angry face,NOT A SMILEY!
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Now that is a downer!!!
Edited by - rackluster on 10/15/2002 13:30:54 |
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I leave a message about how bad a morning I had. Then return to the woods and within a hour we found both hit deer. So the most of you that have complained in the hour and half that we was out looking for the two deer, piss off is the only thing I know to say. You guys jumped to conclusions before the day was even over with.
My deer was hit right underneath the spine. It appeared to have broken a vertabrae above the lungs. She ran about 125yrds from where I first saw her. She was bedded down, and her back was covered in blood. Better hit then what I originally thought. My buddies deer was hit hard right behind the shoulder. Missed the lungs but clipped the bottom of the heart. Didn't cut it very much, but tore alittle place. How she ran so far is beyond me. But this day has definetly brightened up since this morning. As for everyone who has jumped to conclusions, and made assumptions....let the day end before you start making an @$$(outta)-U(and)-Me. Because that's what happens when you assume things. High Country Archery - "Driven to greater heights..." |
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You did say that at 10:30PM you quit looking for the arrow. Typo on your part??????
I think a lot of people (including me) aren't going to like the idea of taking 4 shots and wounding 2 in one day. Read your message. You didn't say anything about going back and looking for the deer. You just started talking about future hunts. (I think it would help the grilling if you post some nice smiling pictures of you and your buddy with both the deer) Edited by - rackluster on 10/15/2002 13:41:32 |
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So... In the hour and 1/2 you found two deer ,gutted them dragged out and then drove them home<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
Even if you did find both deer no one here jumped too conclusions. You had a wounded deer and continued to hunt. If I hit a deer nothing will stop me from doing everything possible to recover that deer. The hunt is over and will not start again until the deer is found or I have exausted every possible way to find it. You had two deer hit and you still continued to fling arrows at everything that came near you. I am not going to judge you, I don't know you, I am just respondimg to what you wrote. Anyone can make a bad hit, that is a given, Its how you respond to it that makes a difference. I still cannot imagine the scenerio you described, missed deer wounded deer, hit deer continue to hunt, neck shots more missed deer. A lot of guys here and myself would of spent most of the mourning looking for the first buck you "missed". No proof you did not hit it until you find the arrow. |
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AT 0835 you shoot a doe, AT 0950 your bud shoots a doe, you now both have wounded deer to track and two deer come along and your debating on whos going to shoot them and you see nothing wrong? What about the post that says you can only shoot one deer per day there? Is this true? Careful...what you say can be used....
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Once you've said it, it makes it really hard to go back and cover stuff up. Don't try blowing no smoke up my @ss. I'm not impressed.
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CK, my post wasn't directed at you bud. Sorry if you thought that. I was saying that since I didn't have anything nice to say I was saying.... With that being said, I have re-read the first post, read that the two hit deer were recovered. I'm glad High Country and his friend got their deer. As far as the rest of that hunt goes..........
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I'll try to get some pics taken this evening and developed in the next few days.
How long does it take you to move deer on four wheelers? I know it don't take forever and a day. But what did you guys expect? Did you expect me and my friend to leave two deer in the woods crippled without atleast trying this afternoon after we ate? You guys don't have high expectations for us do ya? It's been nice posting on this board. But I'm done with it. Laterz guys. Hope the High Country guys whoop up on the Hoyt and Mathews shooters. Laterz High Country Archery - "Driven to greater heights..." |
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forget the pictures, this is my last post. i won't be back.
High Country Archery - "Driven to greater heights..." |
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Sound like a lot of backpedaling after the spanking he got on this thread. Nothing in the first post would give even the casual observer any reason to beleive you are holding some high moral ground here. As already noted your first post mentioned noything of continuing the search, only of heading out hunting with a new partner.
If you really did find both deer, which I seriuosly question, my guess would be it was more by chance than any dedicated search on your part. One other thing. A neck shot is a poor percentage shot, especially the way you and your buddy were flinging around arrows. I would hope you would limit yourselves to higher percentage shots, at least untill you can shoot more consistently. |
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Everyones learns from their mistakes, and If you did recover those deer you will be back to show us those pics, right? Cant wait to see them. Iam glad you recovered them.
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Wow, almost sounds like Jerry Springer. One hit, one search. Shouldn't shoot again until you've found the first. No ifs ands or buts. We all know the ethics and what we should and shouldn't do. High Country's post had a lot of gray areas that he couldn't explain. And when he did he seemed to make it worse. His post sounds like they had a lot of action and just got carried away. At least they did find the deer.
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C-ya. Better luck hunting.
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Does anyone else remember?? Isn't this the gentlemen who said he could take a 60 yard shot at a whitetail, with his bow?? If so, I said it then and am saying it now. Sounds like a lot of wounded deer!!
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I have no Idea what the law is in your State,but here you have to have a deer tagged before you kill another one in the same day. We all have made bad shots in our lives. But if I hit a deer sometimes I dont quit looking for days before I sling more arrows or lead around. Its called responsibility and hunting not just slinging,blasting and killing.Thats as kind as I can be.
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Am I crazy guys or did I read in his post on 10-14-02 that he wasn't shooting any more does. That didn't last very long did it?
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I m gonna say this and expect to catch the same verbal ass whopping you guys wanted to hand out to High Country. That don't mean I won't trade jabs with you. I MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE THINGS THE EXACT SAME WAY. YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE EITHER. Let me say you MIGHT not have cause you don't really know until you been there. He may not have communicated well but you guys wouldn't get no merit badges either. There's a difference between pointing out a mistake and being RUDE. Y'all was rude.
I'll bet if you all lived previous lives you were in the crowd with the stones asking Jesus about the "woman caught in adultery". I'll bet you was in the crowd shouting "crucify Him, crucify Him," AND "give us Barabbas!" This board is SUPPOSED to be one where you give advice and encouragement. Now a little direction to "get your buns back out there and find him is OK!" YOU DIDN'T DO THAT!!! You jumped in the middle of his s***. You ever made a mistake hunting? You also jumped to conclusions. You sounded like a bunch of PETA-Pushers or Antis! Personally I am ashamed of you and think every one who jumped on his buns should send the boy an email and apologize for the attitude and tone of your criticism. There is a difference between "you made a mistake," and "what the f*** is wrong with you you dumbs**** a**hole." Most of you are fathers, grandfathers, or stepfathers. Would you treat your kids like that? Do you treat your friend like that? If so your kids hate you and you have no friends. Suggest you fix this situation. Hey, size may not matter but it sure IS nice! |
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Sooner Hunter
Having been around here for awhile , I can honestly say that when somebody here tells another they've made a mistake , the "other" gets offended if it was written nice or in your face. To compare those here to the "stoners" in the days of Christ is a little harsh , dont ya think? Maybe certain things call for sugar coating with sprinkles , this isn't one of them! [qoute]There is a difference between "you made a mistake," and "what the f*** is wrong with you you dumbs**** a**hole." [/quote] Can you show me where this was said? As for fixing this<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> I will only say that it's childish to get up and run away from this electronic campfire for being scolded! It takes a strong man to return and admit to his mistakes and learn from them. Nobody here is going to hold anything against anybody that admits their mistakes.  "Nocked,cocked & ready to rock" |
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In High County's thread let me ask you SOONER....What did he and his buddy do right? When were they going to stop shooting at deer? Not only were they shooting at deer before retrieving the first two, but they were taking bad shots. Nobody on this board shoulld apologize for their opinions. There are laws in hunting and there are ethics as well. What they did may or may not have been breaking any laws, but the way his ORIGINAL thread was laid out, they had used poor judgement and little ethics. Like I said in my last post...I'm glad they recovered the deer.
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Sooner Hunter Having been around here for awhile , I can honestly say that when somebody here tells another they've made a mistake , the "other" gets offended if it was written nice or in your face. To compare those here to the "stoners" in the days of Christ is a little harsh , dont ya think? As for fixing this<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> "Comparison to the 'stoners' in the days of Christ is a little harsh"? Honestly BF considering the attitude I saw I don't think it is. BUT if it is and I have caused offense, then let me say, "I am sorry I hurt your feelings." [qoute]There is a difference between "you made a mistake," and "what the f*** is wrong with you you dumbs**** a**hole." [/quote] I did not intend to imply that someone made that direct statement, that was the ATTITUDE that was conveyed. I just don't think folks were nice. Its the attitude thats offensive. I agree you make every effort to find the deer. I agree about a lot of the facts and attitudes. Heck, I may have been wrong all along, who knows? Personally your post wasn't quite so bad. Hey, size may not matter but it sure IS nice! |
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Sooner Hunter Having been around here for awhile , I can honestly say that when somebody here tells another they've made a mistake , the "other" gets offended if it was written nice or in your face. To compare those here to the "stoners" in the days of Christ is a little harsh , dont ya think? As for fixing this<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> "Comparison to the 'stoners' in the days of Christ is a little harsh"? Honestly BF considering the attitude I saw I don't think it is. BUT if it is and I have caused offense, then let me say, "I am sorry I hurt your feelings." [qoute]There is a difference between "you made a mistake," and "what the f*** is wrong with you you dumbs**** a**hole." [/quote] I did not intend to imply that someone made that direct statement, that was the ATTITUDE that was conveyed. I just don't think folks were nice. Its the attitude thats offensive. I agree you make every effort to find the deer. I agree about a lot of the facts and attitudes. Heck, I may have been wrong all along, who knows? Personally your post wasn't bad. Hey, size may not matter but it sure IS nice! |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE THINGS THE EXACT SAME WAY. YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE EITHER. Let me say you MIGHT not have cause you don't really know until you been the <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Sooner, I have been in his exact situation around 30 times. That is to have arrowed a deer. As i am sure many others here have. i have not once, not even thought about going on and hunting before I have retrieved my deer. I have been there and I know what the only option is - get the deer you shot. I am making no judgments of HighCountry's Character, only his actions. I don't know about you but I actually got angry as I read the story. I was as tempered as I can be. That sort of irresponsability and disregard for the animals we hunt really gets under my skin. Actions of that sort are a black eye for all bowhunters. If he was my father, grandfather, son, best friend.... I would of given him much worse. Edited by - Rack-attack on 10/15/2002 19:18:24 |
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Well there's nothing left to say that hasn't already been said !!!!!<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>
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maybe u r right rack? I don't know what the limit or legality is in WV. If you can only take one a day and you know you hit one then you give him time to bleed out. Anything wrong with the buddy going ahead to hunt?
I know we got a reputation to protect. Guess you were mad and that means you have standards. I do to and that I may applaud. Like I say it was the general tone I objected to. I agree that when I make a mistake its best to own up to it. Momma taught me to do that and its a legacy I pass on to my children (two of them are bowhunters) who hunt with me. Just think some things got lost in the translation. Sometimes I get on the boys overly hard. Then, the apology is about how I got on them, not "that" I got on them. Thx for the feedback. If you really wanted to hurt the boy make sure everyone buys Matthews, Reflex's, etc. Hey, size may not matter but it sure IS nice! |
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In High County's thread let me ask you SOONER....What did he and his buddy do right? When were they going to stop shooting at deer? Not only were they shooting at deer before retrieving the first two, but they were taking bad shots. Nobody on this board shoulld apologize for their opinions. There are laws in hunting and there are ethics as well. What they did may or may not have been breaking any laws, but the way his ORIGINAL thread was laid out, they had used poor judgement and little ethics. Like I said in my last post...I'm glad they recovered the deer. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Didn't say I agreed with him. Nope, no one should apologize for their opinions. Think everything else was covered in my last post.I am glad they recovered the deer and I appreciate this dialogue. Hey, size may not matter but it sure IS nice! |
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Sooner, I have been in his exact situation around 30 times. That is to have arrowed a deer. As i am sure many others here have. i have not once, not even thought about going on and hunting before I have retrieved my deer. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> It's not always bad to take a deer, and stay in your stand to take another. Taz had a post about this a couple weeks ago. It's alright to take a deer, and then take another back to back. I'm sure many people in here have done so. But the point is, do it legally. If you have multiple doe tags, and you put as much effort into recovering your harvests as possible, that's great. Or if you have a doe and a buck tag.......shoot a doe, then stay seated and take a buck that's fine too. But make sure you do it responsibly. |
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James,
You are probably correct, and should only be done if you are certain the first is hit good. This is the first year in my area that we have multible buck tags in our possession at one time, so it has never been legal to do so. That is why shooting another on the same hunt was never an option, and still is not one for me. I hope in areas where it is legal to do so it is not common practice to unload your quiver through the course of a day then come back to "see what you have shot". That is the impression I got from the story and that is why i objected. I guess if you see it go down or know it was a great hit there is no problem in waiting out for another. I see your point. |
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