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No one should apologize for their post....well here is something I'm not going to apologize for...

None of you were there. None of you saw the shots. None of you saw the hits. None of you saw what we saw. None of you visably saw what happened. You just know what I could describe in words on this board while I was eating before returning to the seen.

But since everyone here is perfect, and have never hit a small tree and knocked a shot high. Or since no one here has ever missed a deer, I know it must be hard for you to understand how bad of a day I had. So since I'm not f*cking perfect, I will just be on my way. Back in the woods tomorrow.

As for the deer herd here in WV. We have increased the doe permits this year do to a imbalence in the herd. So I'm sure that two does being taken down isn't going to effect anything.

But I learned some stuff from this board, and I'll take some of your advice. As for the rest, you can go to hell...well I guess you'll go to heaven since you are so perfect that you never miss a shot. Or since you never make a bad shot. Have fun shooting your deer that just fall over dead on the spot. I wish I had that kind of magical power. Would have saved a lot of walking and tracking this afternoon.

But so long PerfectBowhuntersForum.com

This is High Country Brute Force - signing out.

High Country Archery - "Driven to greater heights..."

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Constructive criticism is so hard on some people...LOL

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I will only say that it's childish to get up and run away from this electronic campfire for being scolded! It takes a strong man to return and admit to his mistakes and learn from them. Nobody here is going to hold anything against anybody that admits their mistakes.

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Good luck to you this season!

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High country,

I have made bad shots and bad decisions, I wounded two deer and have missed another as a bowhunter. Heck my very next shot may be a terrible one......but you just don't get it, so I will stop.

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But I learned some stuff from this board, and I'll take some of your advice. As for the rest, you can go to hell...well I guess you'll go to heaven since you are so perfect that you never miss a shot. Or since you never make a bad shot. Have fun shooting your deer that just fall over dead on the spot. I wish I had that kind of magical power. Would have saved a lot of walking and tracking this afternoon.

But so long PerfectBowhuntersForum.com

This is High Country Brute Force - signing out.

High Country Archery - &quot;Driven to greater heights...&quot;
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Okay guys, I am out of it. At this point its a &quot;tude&quot; coming back.

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Gotta say Wear, didn't think much of your comment either.
Do you act the same way when someone comes at you?

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Sooner. When someone comes on this board, they are open to advice, opinions, jokes(good or bad-but hopefully in good taste), criticism(as in this thread's case), ridicule, or whatever. In the end this board is here to help everyone become better hunters.(Yeah I know...GO TO OPRAH) Whatever story you post here or question you ask, you have to be ready for things you'd expect to hear as well as things you wouldn't. If I offend I'm sorry, but that's my opinion and my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Yeah I don't get it. Shoot at a deer....hit a small tree and the arrow hits high. The arrow falls out and the deer runs off. You search and search. The deer starts bleeding out, and the blood trail thins, to almost nothing. What do you do? Start crying and beating yourself up over it? Or do you move on? Oh wait, you guys never make bad shots. Sorry, I guess you don't understand me now do you?

High Country Archery - &quot;Driven to greater heights...&quot;

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Well, wear. What else should I spect from a MO man. You entitled to it. I agree with you and disagree with you. Yes on most everything but the ridicule. That is usually, as in this case, counterproductive.

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HighCountry_BruteForce:

It's not the fact that you took a shot at a deer and possibly didn't make a good hit. It's the fact that in your post it sounded so much like you both made bad shots, and just kept shooting away instead of going home, waiting for the deer to bleed out and expire, then going back. You made it sound like you were having a field day of wounding deer and not recovering them. A good percentage of us will make bad shots at one point or another due to a number of different circumstances, but it's how you respond to these different situations which will make you a better hunter and a better person.

Your responses in this topic are far from what they should be. How you respond to other peoples' criticism is just about how you responded to your bad shots taken earlier in the day.....TERRIBLE.

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Good thread...hopefully some good came out of it...I am done..MO MAN

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Is that you, Koontzy?

Anyone posting here from long enough ago remember Koontzy's epic and how it was eventually resolved after all the bitterness had left the posts and honesty and ethics prevailed?

Like it or not, all of us hunters are in the same boat. What the trip is like is up to you.

Just one opinion.

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The problem as I see it is; shooting at another deer before recovering the first. If the intention was to look after lunch, why compound your problems by shooting at more deer? It seems you started tracking way too soon. Especially after jumping the doe out of a bed once. Had the deer been left to bed longer, it would most likely have been found there, expired. There is no indication you intended to look for the deer any further in the first post. Luckily you somehow found the two deer, right?
Sooner, I admire your courage of conviction in defending HighCountry. I don't, however, feel it was deserved. If you see something other than what sounds like a couple guys taking a walk, flinging arrows, point it out to me.
James, I think in Taz's post he proposed that the first deer went down in sight, if memory serves me correctly. That makes a difference when considering taking a second.
I can't imagine shooting at more deer, when I have two already hit and not recovered. Can't imagine it with one hit.

Phil.
&quot;Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot.&quot;

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Yeah I don't get it. Shoot at a deer....hit a small tree and the arrow hits high. The arrow falls out and the deer runs off. You search and search. The deer starts bleeding out, and the blood trail thins, to almost nothing. What do you do? Start crying and beating yourself up over it? Or do you move on? Oh wait, you guys never make bad shots. Sorry, I guess you don't understand me now do you?

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Read every reply very carefully! It's not that you shot and hit a branch that resulted in a poor hit!
The point we're trying to make is , after already wounding two deer , you and your buddy kept right on flinging arrows at deer. If myself or any of my hunting buddies wound a deer , the rest of the day is spent trying to find that deer and sometimes the following day if needed. And if you look at your post , you'll notice there was no mention of going back out to look for the deer , in fact you talked about hunting with someone else the rest of the week.
The sarcasm in your last couple posts only says one thing (to me anyway) , you have alot of growing up to do. Hopefully this thread will be a lesson learned.


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WOW, that 1st story was just pathetic. It is scary that there are people out there like that. How many last posts is HC going to make?

Some things are true whether you believe them or not.

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I read the post, and felt a little like most of you did. However, since I've been hunting in WV for almost 20 years...there's a few thing's I've come to understand. This exact scenario was probably repeated dozens of time's the same day around the state. The game laws in WV only allow 1 deer per day....yet dozens, if not more hunters regularly shoot 2 or 3. The club that I hunt in is on a family farm, and mostly family hunting, and we try and keep things to the book....however....I know a ton of folks in the area that would have done the same exact thing, or maybe even worse. You have to understand, that in some areas....that's just how they were raised...unfortunatley. Not pointing a finger at him specifically...just stating a fact.

In the areas that I hunt...we have a huge problem with poaching. There are people that don't even have a job...and they just ride around and hunt all over everyone whenever they want. Even using guns during bow season. Makes me sick. You wouldn't believe the amount of roadkills we've found over the years on our property....and all they take is the horns. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

I know of alot of local folks around there, that regularly shoot as many deer as they can, and some of them NEVER check any of them in... and I mean NEVER. It's a joke. As a matter of fact, I know of some guys that have been hunting for over 20 years, and have never checked any deer in. WOW! I'd be too scared to get caught, but I guess living and growing up in VA...I have a differnt perspective. It gives the folks that stick by the book, a sour stomach. There are very few game wardens, and it's even harder to get the ones that are, to do anything. And then, all the people who live there know one another, so even if they do get reported and caught, they get off. I know a guy that got caught shooting EAGLE'S a while back(while awol from the navy, no less)....and he got off(his uncle was the judge). Unbelievable.

I will agree with his statement that there are WAY too many does, and shooting a couple extra is not going to hurt anything population wise, however...if you decide to do that, (even though it is not legal) you should at least find the deer you shot, before shooting another. You still owe it to any animal you shoot...to do your best to find it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stereotype everyone in WV, but WV is a different breed, for sure. Maybe it stems from growing up in poor areas, and hunting all the time, for food on the table. I know many folks that if they didn't, growing up, they wouldn't have had much meat on the table. Game laws didn't and still don't mean squat to them. Maybe that mentality is passed on...just a way of life?????? Who knows for sure.

I know alot of great folks there, that are ethical, by the book hunters....but like I said, many of the locals(at least in the areas that I hunt) would have done...and probably HAVE done, the same thing. Until the laws stiffen up, and the DNR gets more resources, and folks start actually following the game laws....it will be the same....(unfortunately).

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I'm reading everyones posts about shooting one deer, waiting for it to die and staying in your standing and shooting another one. That's fine but ine West Virginia we can only kill one deer a day and 3 per year with a bow. So I don't care what HC says to try to cover his A$$ when he and his buddy hit thier first deers they should not have kept flinging arrows at whatever they saw until they decided to go looking for the wounded ones.

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High Country, I'm glad you are still around reading this. Please read this and don't take it as me thinking I am perfect because I know I am far from it. Anyway, in your friend's case if I missed a deer and could not attribute it to a deflection or a mistake on my part, my first course of action would be to take some practice shots at a leaf or a stump to make sure nothing moved on my set up. I always carry one arrow in my quiver that I have no intetion of shooting at game for this purpose.

Next, if I had hit a branch causing a poor shot on a deer, which happens to us all at one time or another, I would back out and let the deer lay up. If I saw the deer as you did bleeding badly I would keep an eye on it from a distance to see if it would lay down or to at least see what direction it goes and sit down and wait or completely back out.

If I were in a situation like you and your buddy where the deer's vitals were covered I would pass on the shot as you did. You did the right thing, but your buddy took a low percentage shot after already missing a deer.

You have to understand that hunting is under the microscope right now and we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard so that the rest of the world will see that we are responsible in our pursuit of game and not blood thirsty killers. Stories like yours do not make us as a group look good and that is why so many people got upset with you. Yes you had a bad day. We all have bad days, but some of your bad day was your own doing. I hope you have learned something from it and will do better next time.


Mouse, I remember the Koontzy debacle and hope this isn't a repeat.

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The whole first story makes me sick to my stomach. My buddy shot a buck yesterday afternoon. We waited 2 hours after he hit the buck to start tracking it. He was pretty sure he had a good shot on it but not 110% sure. We tracked it all night because it was suppose to rain during the night. He shot it at about 3:30pm and we started tracking it at around 5:30. Saw 2 doe at about 6:00 passed them up cause we had other things to attend to (hint). Saw a buck at about 6:15pm. Maybe could've got a shot if we stalked him a bit, but passed cause we had a wounded deer out there(hint). about 11:30 last night in the pouring rain I found myself thigh high in swamp water with my buddy pulling his 6 pointer out of the water. A lot of work??? Hell yes!!! Rewarding??? You better beleive it!!! Did I sleep well last night??? You better beleive it!!! Would we have found the deer next morning??? I doubt it!!! Disgusting dude.


High Country guys whoop up on the Hoyt and Mathews shooters. AND WHAT IS THAT COMMENT ALL ABOUT????? I hope everyone has great success this year no matter what you are shooting.

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Well High country It&quot;t time to give me your bow and pick up a big gun, you won&quot;t need to track as much even with a bad hit and you can take shots past 60 yards.Sorry dude you set yourself up on this one.

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Check this out from another topic (broadhead success) by High Country Brute Force

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Whats the world coming to?

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I was born and raised in West Virginia and have bow hunted here for eight years. I don't think living in WV gives anyone an excuse for high country's actions. Some people may no follow the rules but everyone knows them. He is not a poor man trying to put food on the table or he wouldn't be on this forum. The daily limit is one deer..period. I have shot at 9 deer and recovered 7 of them. I never found the other two, not for lack of effort. They were evening hunts, and I didn't stop looking until midnight and was back looking the next day. Living in a state that has many poachers makes the rest of us strive even harder to be ethical and law abiding, it's easier to sleep at night. There is no excuse for high country's ignorance. I hope he is hunting a different part of this fine state than I am.

PS...he is getting off this forum because he can't come up with pictures, we all know that. West Virginia is very mountainous, in an hour and a half he finished eating, got his gear, got in the woods, made it the last place they had blood, found two deer that were not bleeding (or scarcely), gutted them, got them out of the woods, got cleaned up, signed on here, read the posts and commented...not to mention any bumps along the road...geeesh that took me an hour and a half to type.

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High Country, I am glad that you recovered your deer. I am sorry that you feel the need to run off. Yes these guys can be rough on ya if they think you have done wrong. All They are intending is for you to learn, not run you off. <font size=3>Anyone that is trying to do that, needs to leave themselves.</font id=size3> But I don't believe that is the case. We all have our bad days, no one can deny that. And we all take a bad shot now and then. We need to recover from our mistakes, learn, grow, and go on.

Most all of the replies are toward your ethics and decisions used in your morning of hunting.

I know that none of us were there in your particular situation. From your original post:
Your buddy shoots at a 4 pt and thinks he misses, because...??? You find no blood!! You find no arrow!! The deer is gone!! Need to find that arrow!!
You shoot a doe as does your buddy, which you have yet to retrieve before you both are ready to shoot at more deer. And the tactics used in attemting to retrieve your deer. Then you are planning the next hunt wothout finding the deer previously shot. Even you have to admit, that without you telling us that you two were going back out after lunch, that it would lead anyone reading your post to believe differantly. As has been stated: your states game laws allow only one kill per day. This is the poor ethics that everyone is trying to point out.

We are all subject to make poor decisions in the excitement of the hunt, but this is what we have to fight not to do. If for no other reason, to not give fuel to the Anti's.

Once again, good job on your retrieval and I for one would prefer that you hang around, which you seem to be doing. There are a lot of good folks here, with good information and you know that, they are only trying to protect their sport. Not trying to run you off!!!

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The best of luck in all your hunting endeavors!!!

God Bless,
Dave

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James Vee I saw you mention my name in regards to taking more than one deer while never leaving the stand. I know you were not saying anything negative about me, I just wanted to clarify for those who did not read that thread that I was seeking advice from more experienced bowhunters as to whether or not if you knew you double lunged a deer and saw it go down in sight if I could safely take another clean shot at a second deer or should I wait no matter what.

I have not gotten my first bow kill yet and wanted to find out from those far more experienced than me if there was any chance of a double lunged deer that has gone down in sight of getting back up.

There is no way in my opinion, I nor any one with an ounce of ethics should even consider shooting at another deer until you know the first was a good shot and down for the count.

BTW in Va. you can kill 2 deer a day, and as long as you tag it before you gut it there is no problem with taking a second as long as you have the tags.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

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High Country
I hope you are still around reading the comments people are making. Nobody on this site is claiming to be perfect. But what most are claiming to be is an ethical hunter, something you need to work on. I would strongly encourage you to stay on this website and learn from others. There is a wealth of knowledge at your finger tips. If you choose not to stay and learn at least take this experience and be respectful of you game in the future.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>This exact scenario was probably repeated dozens of time's the same day around the state. The game laws in WV only allow 1 deer per day....yet dozens, if not more hunters regularly shoot 2 or 3. The club that I hunt in is on a family farm, and mostly family hunting, and we try and keep things to the book....however....I know a ton of folks in the area that would have done the same exact thing, or maybe even worse. You have to understand, that in some areas....that's just how they were raised...unfortunatley. Not pointing a finger at him specifically...just stating a fact.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Wv Hunter if all that is going on and right on the farm where you hun t and you personally know of people doing this then have you turned them in in my opinion if you know them and dont turn them in you are just as much to blame.

You make it sound as if most of West Virginains hunt like this of at least accept this type of hunter well you are wrong. Yes I am sure there are a lot of hunters that do that not only in Wv but in all states that doesnt make it right but to say it is accepted here is to down all Wv hunters.

I think if there is such a problem where you hunt then you probably should go bsack and hunt in Va where according to you the hunters have a better mentalatity(sp) .
Yes there a re families that depend on deer meat to help them make it through the winter and I am sure some that have it year round but that happenes also in all states.
Your opinion and HC-BF's actions are representive of most WVians. And I also must say we have some great Game Wardens but law breakers must be reported to them before they can do anything.
You have a nice day now hear.

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Your first post is probably the WORST story I have ever heard. If that is how you and your buddies hunt then I hope you stick to your statement and not continue to post here.

No one wants to hear anymore horror stories like that any time soon.

Personally I would rather you quit &quot;hunting&quot; then posting but it's a start I guess.

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My two cents worth . . .

I have a responsibility to make a Clean - Quick Killing Shot. I have prayed for that with every shot I have taken and there have been many. Like everyone else though, I have had my share of bad shots. They are unavoidable and I have lost three animals in some 40 years of hunting.

However, I also owe a GREAT deal of respect to the animal that I shoot. That respect culmanates in expending every effort to track and recover these gratious animals.

I don't care what W VA's laws read . . . I owe it to the animal to use every skill that I posess to track it down. My hunting ends when I get an arrow into a deer and does not resume until the animal is recovered or I have spent the better part of a couple of days tracking it. I will however, while giving my animal time to bed down and bleed out . . . help my partners. Here in WA we are only allowed one deer per year.

This is a question of ethics and sometimes these lessons are the hardest of all to learn.

By 2004, the animal rights FREAKS are going to draft an initiative and circulate petitions for signatures their goal &quot;To declare Bowhunting Inhumane.&quot; We will, only by policing ourselves and holding to a much higher standard, succeed by not giving these FREAKS any more ammunition.

Bowhunter

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Wv Hunter if all that is going on and right on the farm where you hun t and you personally know of people doing this then have you turned them in in my opinion if you know them and dont turn them in you are just as much to blame.
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Peppi....I didn't say it is happening where I hunt (our family farm), but in our area.....if you read my post a little better, I was not putting down the folks from WV, just stating the facts as I know them. Like I said, I know alot of ethical, law abiding folks, but I also know alot of folks all over the area (probably a 50 mile area, covering a couple counties) where similar stuff goes on. That doesn't make it right, but it does happen. And yes, I'm sure it happens everywhere to some degree.
As for the game wardens, maybe it's a little better where you are, but we don't have many resources in the counties I hunt...therefore they can only do what they can do. And yes, we have called them numerous times on folks...but I can't personally babysit everyone that hunts in 2 counties.

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Well I just went back and reread your first post and it didn't get any better.Way too many holes in your story to believe you.
This really sticks out First post:Posted - 10/15/2002 : 11:47:48, Second post:Posted - 10/15/2002 : 13:31:20

Here's another <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>But needless to say, a very disappointing day. This morning definetly sucked. My buddy is going to hunt out of my climber next to where I took the doe yesterday. I on the other hand have to pick up another hunting buddy to hunt with the rest of the week. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

You stated you weren't going back out,so now we're supposed to believe you went out found both deer and returned in less then two hours?

I can't find the qoute but you told someone that you know more in two years of hunting then they knew hunting their whole life.Son, You don't know much about hunting.I copied your post to give to a buddy of mine.He teaches hunters ed and is alway's looking for something to discuss in class.Hopefully he can use it to show new hunters how not to act in the woods.I also showed your posts to my 12 yr. old,he just shook his head when I asked him what he thought about it.

You might want to check your equipment,seeing as both the deer you have shot have ended up high.Your sites might have moved,or your using the wrong pin.

You sound like a teenager.If you are I hope your father gets a look at what your doing and takes your bow until you learn some ethics.

I checked out your profile ,livinglegend eh? Legend in your own mind is more like it.

If you do continue to post please go by the rules and clean it up a little.

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Whew...

My BP is up a little as I read all THREE pages of posts.

As one of the longer winded posters you all will be AMAZED... WORDS HAVE ESCAPED ME !

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Yes, we need to encourage bowhunters to take good shots and to make every effort to find wounded animals before shooting more, but we don't need to chastise them and call people names who need a little education. If he thought he was doing something that terrible, he wouldn't have come on here and posted about it. We had an opportunity to teach a hunter a better way, while forgiving him for seeemingly being careless.

It appears now that all we have succeeded in doing, is to chase him away and to leave him with hard feelings towards the hunters on this forum. Hunter numbers are down and anti's are getting stronger. When we find a fellow hunter who is not exactly promoting our image, we need to take them under our wing and encourage them to do things differently. Denigrating his character is not going to help us with our cause.

Highcountry, if you're still reading, I would encourage you to give every search for a wounded animal your very best shot before attempting to take any others. There are lots of posts on what's a high percentage shot and good tracking and recovery techniques on this forum that may help you in the future.

The average person is not an anti hunter, but then again, the average person is not a hunter and has no strong opinion of hunters and can easily be swayed to thinking we're bad. If we act concerned over a wounded animal and appear to do our very best to see that each animal is killed as quickly and painlessly as possible, the voting public will not support taking our rights away. If they perceive our sport as somewhat inhumane, then hunting will go the way of the dinosaurs. We should keep in mind that, like the saying goes, image is everything.

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Straightarrow,

I agree 100%, the thing is there really is no nice way of getting this point across with a forum like this. After reading all the posts again I think we as a group did not get that offensive to HC-BF, I have read much, much worse dialogue on here in the past. In fact I think the worse attitude came from HC in his rebuttal posts.

Nevertheless, I feel a good point has been made and defended in probably the most civilized way that we can expect here.

HC - I also welcome you back, If you are a true bowhunter you realize where we are coming from and it will seep in on your own clock. It's hard to be very civil on here when you have no idea who is who.

But no matter how poorly or how well we argued against you. The best of intentions lay beneath it all.

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RE: One BAD Day
 

High Country even if you are young like everyone suspects, it is no excuse to do what you did. I myself am 18years old and i've been bowhunting since age 12. I was taught from an early age-once that arrow leaves the bow YOU DON'T SHOOT ANY MORE UNTIL YOUR SURE YOU MISSED OR YOU FIND THE ANIMAL. Don't take these insults to heart, move on, and learn from it.

RE: One BAD Day
 

It's strange how in 4 pages of replys I have seen very few of the really ol timers of this board reply. My reply....Geeez <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Rick

RE: One BAD Day
 

How is the gun ban gonna affect you Mdbowhunter? More time in woods, less time, no difference?

&quot;Size may not matter but it sho IS nice!&quot; [/quote]