Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
12-30-2004 | 04:02 PM
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RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
I am going to NW Colo. in the 3rd rifle season with OTC tags @$480 Nov 5-11.
I once shot a cow elk around 550# with my 45 Colt Ruger BH pistol using these 300 gr Hornady XTP Mag HP bullets at about 75 yds thru the lungs it was a pass thru shot and she went 100 yds before she dropped. That was at 1600fps out of that pistol, so I'm guessing 100 gr of 777 out of a 28' barrel should do the job out to 150 yds or so. WB
I once shot a cow elk around 550# with my 45 Colt Ruger BH pistol using these 300 gr Hornady XTP Mag HP bullets at about 75 yds thru the lungs it was a pass thru shot and she went 100 yds before she dropped. That was at 1600fps out of that pistol, so I'm guessing 100 gr of 777 out of a 28' barrel should do the job out to 150 yds or so. WB
12-30-2004 | 04:48 PM
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RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
wingbar,
Another 2cents, if you are going to spend that kind of money, it would really be my suggestion that you look at the Nosler .451 - 300 grain Protected Point Partition bullet, or the .458 Nosler in an MMP sabot. With this bullet even if you hit a big bone and strip the lead from the first cavity the lead and the copper of the second cavity will carry the bullet in for a deeper penetration.
This is a target I fired several months ago using 350 grain .485 Hornady's Hollow Points and the MMP sabot. After this I went back to 300 grains because Nosler only makes a 300 grain .458. and they shoot just as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...loader/458.jpg
In Colorado can you use Sabots? I thought they were a non-sabot state.
Like I have said before I am really sold on the results of Nosler Partitions, goes way back to the 1960's when i was a kid and my grandpa made use Nosler's for a hunting load.
I wish I could tell you about the good results of this bullet from a ML into an elk, but I can't yet. I can tell that a 260 grain Nosler Partition HP through the chest cavity of whitetails makes the cavity a soup bowl. The hydrostatic schock is devastating.
Good luck in that hunt - hunting season has only been over 2 weeks now and I am ready to start again...
Another 2cents, if you are going to spend that kind of money, it would really be my suggestion that you look at the Nosler .451 - 300 grain Protected Point Partition bullet, or the .458 Nosler in an MMP sabot. With this bullet even if you hit a big bone and strip the lead from the first cavity the lead and the copper of the second cavity will carry the bullet in for a deeper penetration.
This is a target I fired several months ago using 350 grain .485 Hornady's Hollow Points and the MMP sabot. After this I went back to 300 grains because Nosler only makes a 300 grain .458. and they shoot just as well.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...loader/458.jpg
In Colorado can you use Sabots? I thought they were a non-sabot state.
Like I have said before I am really sold on the results of Nosler Partitions, goes way back to the 1960's when i was a kid and my grandpa made use Nosler's for a hunting load.
I wish I could tell you about the good results of this bullet from a ML into an elk, but I can't yet. I can tell that a 260 grain Nosler Partition HP through the chest cavity of whitetails makes the cavity a soup bowl. The hydrostatic schock is devastating.
Good luck in that hunt - hunting season has only been over 2 weeks now and I am ready to start again...
12-30-2004 | 05:49 PM
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RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
since your post I did a little research, in the MZ season they are not legal(sabots) but in the rifle season they are. At least that's the understanding I get from the imfo. I have found. I chose to go in the rifle season but use my TC Omega partly because of the OTC tags but mostly cause I have killed lots of game over the years and have had somewhat of a rebirtrh into hunting since I began hunting with a MZ.
The only non saboted bullets I ever used and then it was in a .50 cal flintlock were the TC Buffalo prelubed @320gr. Do you think I could shoot them in the Omega?
like I mentioned earlier all I've ever shot in this 50 cal Omega was these pistol bullets and black hornady sabots the accuracy is superb.
Thanks for all the great imfo guys!
The only non saboted bullets I ever used and then it was in a .50 cal flintlock were the TC Buffalo prelubed @320gr. Do you think I could shoot them in the Omega?
like I mentioned earlier all I've ever shot in this 50 cal Omega was these pistol bullets and black hornady sabots the accuracy is superb.
Thanks for all the great imfo guys!
12-30-2004 | 05:56 PM
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RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
If you need a big conical that will shoot out of your Omega and work on elk I would suggest getting a box of 460 grain .503 diameter No Excuses conicals. I shoot them out of my Black Diamond XR with excellent results. I think they would have some real stopping power to them. Also start them with about 85 grains of T-7 or Goex FFFg and the accuracy is excellent.
No Excuses Conicals can be found at this site....
No Excuses Conicals can be found at this site....
12-30-2004 | 07:18 PM
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RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
wingbar,
Thought that might be the case, during regular rifle season, I hunted all season that way also. I have totally given up on hunting with centerfire, it is like I have done that forever so this new challenge of the ML has taken over. It use to be that I HAD to get an elk every year, but now it really is all about recreation and enjoying what I am doing.
I do not own and have not shot an Omega, but what I have read about them - it will do the job. Some people complain about the barrel being to tight to get sabots down. If that is the case with yours you might try these Nosler Sabots - they are slightly tinner than the Harvester and somewhat thinner than the MMP - HPH24 or the Hornady.
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/produ...slerSabots.htm
I agree with you on the BC of the pointed bullets - SST and etc. but I have rationalized that at the speed a ML bullet is traveling and the distances shot it is a wash-out so I keep on using the HP's and Partitions.
The No-Excuse Cayuagd posted is an excellent lead bullet and the numbers on it work out real well but, when it comes to shooting a 460 grain vs 300 grain - I'm taking the 300 flatter and a heck of a lot quicker to the target. Plus I really like the cutting that sharp copper does as it passes through tissue.
Again good luck...
Thought that might be the case, during regular rifle season, I hunted all season that way also. I have totally given up on hunting with centerfire, it is like I have done that forever so this new challenge of the ML has taken over. It use to be that I HAD to get an elk every year, but now it really is all about recreation and enjoying what I am doing.
I do not own and have not shot an Omega, but what I have read about them - it will do the job. Some people complain about the barrel being to tight to get sabots down. If that is the case with yours you might try these Nosler Sabots - they are slightly tinner than the Harvester and somewhat thinner than the MMP - HPH24 or the Hornady.
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/produ...slerSabots.htm
I agree with you on the BC of the pointed bullets - SST and etc. but I have rationalized that at the speed a ML bullet is traveling and the distances shot it is a wash-out so I keep on using the HP's and Partitions.
The No-Excuse Cayuagd posted is an excellent lead bullet and the numbers on it work out real well but, when it comes to shooting a 460 grain vs 300 grain - I'm taking the 300 flatter and a heck of a lot quicker to the target. Plus I really like the cutting that sharp copper does as it passes through tissue.
Again good luck...
