Encore Modified Breach Plug
10-21-2003 | 07:55 PM
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Encore Modified Breach Plug
What do you think???
Anyone use It??? I' m Thinking about trying one.
T/C Encore modified breach plug to use .660" long .22 Hornet cases in place of the 209 primer.
Too much flame; too much fouling:
Our Encore gets so dirty from the 209 primer that after 50 shots the firing pin will not even travel far enough to ignite the primer. I need to remove the butt stock and clean the entire action with brake clean and compressed air before it will work. Too much flame trying to get through the small hole.
If you check out the cartridge in the foreground of the photo you can see that it is perfectly clean. It has been used 27 times and has not even been wiped off. No fouling, no mess. Look inside the breach plug and action; 50 shots without being touched and not a spot of fouling anywhere.
Too much energy:
I have no idea who started the 209 craze but I believe that it provides way more energy than is required to get the job done. Try this experiment for yourself. Take your ramrod with a jag and a clean damp patch, push it all the way down the barrel of your Encore. Mark the ramrod where it meets the end of the barrel with a strip of masking tape. Put a 209 into the breach plug, close the gun, cock the hammer and pull the trigger. With our Encore, the ramrod will get blown 6" - 8" up the barrel with just the force of the 209. If we do the same experiment with our Hornet / Encore breach plug with it' s small rifle primer, the ramrod moves less than 1" .
We have all but eliminated those unexplained flyers from our Encore groups. Personally, I believe these flyers were the result of the 209 actually lifting the sabot off the powder charge simultaneous with igniting the powder. The much milder Small Rifle primer of the Hornet case ignites the powder just as instantly but lacks the energy to move the sabot and bullet off the powder charge therefore eliminating the flyers.
More fine tuning options:
Unlike the 209, Small Rifle sized primers come in a variety of ranges and qualities. One can experiment with Standard, Magnum and Bench Rest to add one more variable to the mix. To this point, we have seen the best success with CCI 400 but that could change with the next load.
To sum up, I love this conversion. The Encore is now perfectly clean inside and out shot after shot. I have eliminated the flyers caused by the excessive 209 energy levels. I find the shortened .22 Hornet cases very easy to install, remove and find in my pockets. One case has been primed over 40 times with the primer pocket fit as snug as it way when we first used it. We decap and prime the cases with the very economical Lee line of reloading equipment. As you loose them, you simply trim down another handful of .22 Hornet brass and away you go.
Here' s the link;
http://www.prbullet.com/hornet.htm
Anyone use It??? I' m Thinking about trying one.
T/C Encore modified breach plug to use .660" long .22 Hornet cases in place of the 209 primer.
Too much flame; too much fouling:
Our Encore gets so dirty from the 209 primer that after 50 shots the firing pin will not even travel far enough to ignite the primer. I need to remove the butt stock and clean the entire action with brake clean and compressed air before it will work. Too much flame trying to get through the small hole.
If you check out the cartridge in the foreground of the photo you can see that it is perfectly clean. It has been used 27 times and has not even been wiped off. No fouling, no mess. Look inside the breach plug and action; 50 shots without being touched and not a spot of fouling anywhere.
Too much energy:
I have no idea who started the 209 craze but I believe that it provides way more energy than is required to get the job done. Try this experiment for yourself. Take your ramrod with a jag and a clean damp patch, push it all the way down the barrel of your Encore. Mark the ramrod where it meets the end of the barrel with a strip of masking tape. Put a 209 into the breach plug, close the gun, cock the hammer and pull the trigger. With our Encore, the ramrod will get blown 6" - 8" up the barrel with just the force of the 209. If we do the same experiment with our Hornet / Encore breach plug with it' s small rifle primer, the ramrod moves less than 1" .
We have all but eliminated those unexplained flyers from our Encore groups. Personally, I believe these flyers were the result of the 209 actually lifting the sabot off the powder charge simultaneous with igniting the powder. The much milder Small Rifle primer of the Hornet case ignites the powder just as instantly but lacks the energy to move the sabot and bullet off the powder charge therefore eliminating the flyers.
More fine tuning options:
Unlike the 209, Small Rifle sized primers come in a variety of ranges and qualities. One can experiment with Standard, Magnum and Bench Rest to add one more variable to the mix. To this point, we have seen the best success with CCI 400 but that could change with the next load.
To sum up, I love this conversion. The Encore is now perfectly clean inside and out shot after shot. I have eliminated the flyers caused by the excessive 209 energy levels. I find the shortened .22 Hornet cases very easy to install, remove and find in my pockets. One case has been primed over 40 times with the primer pocket fit as snug as it way when we first used it. We decap and prime the cases with the very economical Lee line of reloading equipment. As you loose them, you simply trim down another handful of .22 Hornet brass and away you go.
Here' s the link;
http://www.prbullet.com/hornet.htm
10-22-2003 | 09:42 AM
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RE: Encore Modified Breach Plug
Pinesap,
I' ll sell you my modified breech plug for $75. It' s a brand new Encore/Omega breech plug, modified by PR bullets for their .22 Hornet cases. I' ve shot about 10 shots with it. I' ll also throw in 25-30 .22 Hornet cases (whatever I have laying around) and a mostly full box of CCI primers.
This offer is open to whom ever is interested.
Bill the Dog.
I' ll sell you my modified breech plug for $75. It' s a brand new Encore/Omega breech plug, modified by PR bullets for their .22 Hornet cases. I' ve shot about 10 shots with it. I' ll also throw in 25-30 .22 Hornet cases (whatever I have laying around) and a mostly full box of CCI primers.
This offer is open to whom ever is interested.
Bill the Dog.
10-22-2003 | 08:27 PM
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RE: Encore Modified Breach Plug
Bill the Dog
Didn' t you see any differance with the Modified Breach Plug? What do you think about the 209 being too hot or possibly moving the bullet off the powder charge . You know when you think about it a 209 is alot of primer for a shotgun shell and 20-30grs of powder.
Didn' t you see any differance with the Modified Breach Plug? What do you think about the 209 being too hot or possibly moving the bullet off the powder charge . You know when you think about it a 209 is alot of primer for a shotgun shell and 20-30grs of powder.
10-23-2003 | 01:48 PM
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RE: Encore Modified Breach Plug
Pinesap,
Here' s a clip of a post I put onto this board a few days ago:
What didn’t work for me: As a fan of Precision Bullets products, I was keen to try their 209 to .22 Hornet primer conversion. I sent in a new breech plug to Precision, had the work done and went to the range. On the first try, the gun did not fire using 100-gr. 777 and a 348-gr. Powerbelt. The primer was spent, but the weapon did not light. I put in a new primer and repeated and repeated and repeated. I had to pull the breech plug, push out the powder and bullet. I reloaded using the standard 209 primer and everything was back to working. After a few rounds using the 209 primer, I went back to the .22 Hornet breech plug. Everything worked now, for about 10 rounds. Then the flash hole got gummed up enough that the .22 Hornet primer could not light the gun off again. I repeated the entire scenario again a week later and I again found that the .22 Hornet primer would not consistently light my gun. I’m not trying to start any controversy, but in my hands, I can only confidently expect my gun to light with the 209 primer.
I hope this information helps someone.
Bill the Dog
Here' s a clip of a post I put onto this board a few days ago:
What didn’t work for me: As a fan of Precision Bullets products, I was keen to try their 209 to .22 Hornet primer conversion. I sent in a new breech plug to Precision, had the work done and went to the range. On the first try, the gun did not fire using 100-gr. 777 and a 348-gr. Powerbelt. The primer was spent, but the weapon did not light. I put in a new primer and repeated and repeated and repeated. I had to pull the breech plug, push out the powder and bullet. I reloaded using the standard 209 primer and everything was back to working. After a few rounds using the 209 primer, I went back to the .22 Hornet breech plug. Everything worked now, for about 10 rounds. Then the flash hole got gummed up enough that the .22 Hornet primer could not light the gun off again. I repeated the entire scenario again a week later and I again found that the .22 Hornet primer would not consistently light my gun. I’m not trying to start any controversy, but in my hands, I can only confidently expect my gun to light with the 209 primer.
I hope this information helps someone.
Bill the Dog
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