QLA Flunked, Yes It Did
02-15-2016 | 09:30 AM
#11
Banned
Joined: Dec 2008
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From: Boncarbo,Colorado
the skirt on the new powerbelt platinum/aerolite explodes to pieces before it even leaves the barrel. I think theres a lot more behind it, but until someone steps in with all the equipment and a way to see it, we'll never know.
02-16-2016 | 10:19 PM
#12
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2009
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From: Irvine, KY
As far as the powerbelts goes compare the length and the base diameter of the bullet with no plastic this plays into the reason why the PB can still shoot accurate out of the off-centered QLA the same way a boattail bullet is effected less by turbulence.ahhh... But the hell do I know...
02-17-2016 | 03:27 AM
#13
Fork Horn
Joined: Dec 2015
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From: Southeast Michigan
T/C knows most everyone uses sabots. They otherwise know that mainly the remaining few that don't use sabots, use Powerbelts.
What goes-on inside messageboards like this one is such a small fraction of muzzleloader shooter representation. (For example) Probably 98% of muzzleloader hunters have no idea that heavy conicals work in fast twist rifles and those T/C QLAs affect performance with old-school conicals. These hunters of today haven't a clue about that.
Why did they choose T/C instead of Knight or Traditions?..... because of that QLA and how it makes it easier to load bullets.
When T/C owners shoot and miss that deer, they don;t blame their inaccuracy on the QLA. They blame it on themselves for a poor aim or either on the bullet or powder they chose. They haven't a clue that they missed that deer because of the QLA and their choice of using a T/C Maxiball conical, which BTW, is hardly ever seen anymore. Everyone seems to use sabots, Powerbelts (inlines) or roundballs in traditional sidelocks.
Old-school conicals are going the way of the dinosaur. No doubt about it and it changes nothing in T/Cs lineup of guns and how they address the QLA at the muzzle. If you call T/C by phone, they will recommend sabots or Powerbelts. They will even prove they are more accurate at the 100 yard mark.
So test the QLA till the next blue moon. The amount of shooters that these QLA threads affect are so few and far between. Like talking to a bus-group of 100 oldtimers at a baseball game where 40,000 are in attendance. Sorta parallels to the approx 100 threads we saw in 2015 on Lehigh bullets here. For a bullet brand that only represents a fraction of 1% of the market.... perhaps as little as 0.05% of muzzleloader sales globally, I am so glad those Sabotloader and Grouse Lehigh promotions have ceased.
There was no doubt in my mind that a bullet push occurred to boost sales.... all driven by people associated by/with/ associated with Lehigh. Grouse not coming back to this board after his timeout recently, is OK with me.
What goes-on inside messageboards like this one is such a small fraction of muzzleloader shooter representation. (For example) Probably 98% of muzzleloader hunters have no idea that heavy conicals work in fast twist rifles and those T/C QLAs affect performance with old-school conicals. These hunters of today haven't a clue about that.
Why did they choose T/C instead of Knight or Traditions?..... because of that QLA and how it makes it easier to load bullets.
When T/C owners shoot and miss that deer, they don;t blame their inaccuracy on the QLA. They blame it on themselves for a poor aim or either on the bullet or powder they chose. They haven't a clue that they missed that deer because of the QLA and their choice of using a T/C Maxiball conical, which BTW, is hardly ever seen anymore. Everyone seems to use sabots, Powerbelts (inlines) or roundballs in traditional sidelocks.
Old-school conicals are going the way of the dinosaur. No doubt about it and it changes nothing in T/Cs lineup of guns and how they address the QLA at the muzzle. If you call T/C by phone, they will recommend sabots or Powerbelts. They will even prove they are more accurate at the 100 yard mark.
So test the QLA till the next blue moon. The amount of shooters that these QLA threads affect are so few and far between. Like talking to a bus-group of 100 oldtimers at a baseball game where 40,000 are in attendance. Sorta parallels to the approx 100 threads we saw in 2015 on Lehigh bullets here. For a bullet brand that only represents a fraction of 1% of the market.... perhaps as little as 0.05% of muzzleloader sales globally, I am so glad those Sabotloader and Grouse Lehigh promotions have ceased.
There was no doubt in my mind that a bullet push occurred to boost sales.... all driven by people associated by/with/ associated with Lehigh. Grouse not coming back to this board after his timeout recently, is OK with me.
Last edited by GoexBlackhorn; 02-17-2016 at 03:54 AM.
02-17-2016 | 05:31 AM
#14
Giant Nontypical
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The one QLA that was really off that I have seen would not shoot anything well, it shot sabots in a 6 inch group at 50 yards no matter what was tried. The others shot Thor, FPB and PB into the normal size group for the shooter.
I shot no excuses in one of my QLA TC guns for a hunting trip by using the old cornmeal method[a wad and enough cornmeal to fill the QLA until the bullet exited] and while it had a rainbow trajectory it shot in 2 inches at 100 which I have always considered reasonable for a soft lead bullet.
My reasoning has always been that the powder gases bouncing off the side walls when it can go between the bullet and the QLA is going to mess with the accuracy.
I realize I am probably alone in this line of thought because no one else has ever mentioned it.
I shot no excuses in one of my QLA TC guns for a hunting trip by using the old cornmeal method[a wad and enough cornmeal to fill the QLA until the bullet exited] and while it had a rainbow trajectory it shot in 2 inches at 100 which I have always considered reasonable for a soft lead bullet.
My reasoning has always been that the powder gases bouncing off the side walls when it can go between the bullet and the QLA is going to mess with the accuracy.
I realize I am probably alone in this line of thought because no one else has ever mentioned it.
02-17-2016 | 06:57 AM
#16
Fork Horn
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 413
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From: Virginia
T/C knows most everyone uses sabots. They otherwise know that mainly the remaining few that don't use sabots, use Powerbelts.
What goes-on inside messageboards like this one is such a small fraction of muzzleloader shooter representation. (For example) Probably 98% of muzzleloader hunters have no idea that heavy conicals work in fast twist rifles and those T/C QLAs affect performance with old-school conicals. These hunters of today haven't a clue about that.
Why did they choose T/C instead of Knight or Traditions?..... because of that QLA and how it makes it easier to load bullets.
When T/C owners shoot and miss that deer, they don;t blame their inaccuracy on the QLA. They blame it on themselves for a poor aim or either on the bullet or powder they chose. They haven't a clue that they missed that deer because of the QLA and their choice of using a T/C Maxiball conical, which BTW, is hardly ever seen anymore. Everyone seems to use sabots, Powerbelts (inlines) or roundballs in traditional sidelocks.
Old-school conicals are going the way of the dinosaur. No doubt about it and it changes nothing in T/Cs lineup of guns and how they address the QLA at the muzzle. If you call T/C by phone, they will recommend sabots or Powerbelts. They will even prove they are more accurate at the 100 yard mark.
So test the QLA till the next blue moon. The amount of shooters that these QLA threads affect are so few and far between. Like talking to a bus-group of 100 oldtimers at a baseball game where 40,000 are in attendance. Sorta parallels to the approx 100 threads we saw in 2015 on Lehigh bullets here. For a bullet brand that only represents a fraction of 1% of the market.... perhaps as little as 0.05% of muzzleloader sales globally, I am so glad those Sabotloader and Grouse Lehigh promotions have ceased.
There was no doubt in my mind that a bullet push occurred to boost sales.... all driven by people associated by/with/ associated with Lehigh. Grouse not coming back to this board after his timeout recently, is OK with me.
What goes-on inside messageboards like this one is such a small fraction of muzzleloader shooter representation. (For example) Probably 98% of muzzleloader hunters have no idea that heavy conicals work in fast twist rifles and those T/C QLAs affect performance with old-school conicals. These hunters of today haven't a clue about that.
Why did they choose T/C instead of Knight or Traditions?..... because of that QLA and how it makes it easier to load bullets.
When T/C owners shoot and miss that deer, they don;t blame their inaccuracy on the QLA. They blame it on themselves for a poor aim or either on the bullet or powder they chose. They haven't a clue that they missed that deer because of the QLA and their choice of using a T/C Maxiball conical, which BTW, is hardly ever seen anymore. Everyone seems to use sabots, Powerbelts (inlines) or roundballs in traditional sidelocks.
Old-school conicals are going the way of the dinosaur. No doubt about it and it changes nothing in T/Cs lineup of guns and how they address the QLA at the muzzle. If you call T/C by phone, they will recommend sabots or Powerbelts. They will even prove they are more accurate at the 100 yard mark.
So test the QLA till the next blue moon. The amount of shooters that these QLA threads affect are so few and far between. Like talking to a bus-group of 100 oldtimers at a baseball game where 40,000 are in attendance. Sorta parallels to the approx 100 threads we saw in 2015 on Lehigh bullets here. For a bullet brand that only represents a fraction of 1% of the market.... perhaps as little as 0.05% of muzzleloader sales globally, I am so glad those Sabotloader and Grouse Lehigh promotions have ceased.
There was no doubt in my mind that a bullet push occurred to boost sales.... all driven by people associated by/with/ associated with Lehigh. Grouse not coming back to this board after his timeout recently, is OK with me.
02-17-2016 | 08:18 AM
#18
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: Virginia / West Virginia
T/C knows most everyone uses sabots. They otherwise know that mainly the remaining few that don't use sabots, use Powerbelts.
What goes-on inside messageboards like this one is such a small fraction of muzzleloader shooter representation. (For example) Probably 98% of muzzleloader hunters have no idea that heavy conicals work in fast twist rifles and those T/C QLAs affect performance with old-school conicals. These hunters of today haven't a clue about that.
Why did they choose T/C instead of Knight or Traditions?..... because of that QLA and how it makes it easier to load bullets.
When T/C owners shoot and miss that deer, they don;t blame their inaccuracy on the QLA. They blame it on themselves for a poor aim or either on the bullet or powder they chose. They haven't a clue that they missed that deer because of the QLA and their choice of using a T/C Maxiball conical, which BTW, is hardly ever seen anymore. Everyone seems to use sabots, Powerbelts (inlines) or roundballs in traditional sidelocks.
Old-school conicals are going the way of the dinosaur. No doubt about it and it changes nothing in T/Cs lineup of guns and how they address the QLA at the muzzle. If you call T/C by phone, they will recommend sabots or Powerbelts. They will even prove they are more accurate at the 100 yard mark.
So test the QLA till the next blue moon. The amount of shooters that these QLA threads affect are so few and far between. Like talking to a bus-group of 100 oldtimers at a baseball game where 40,000 are in attendance. Sorta parallels to the approx 100 threads we saw in 2015 on Lehigh bullets here. For a bullet brand that only represents a fraction of 1% of the market.... perhaps as little as 0.05% of muzzleloader sales globally, I am so glad those Sabotloader and Grouse Lehigh promotions have ceased.
There was no doubt in my mind that a bullet push occurred to boost sales.... all driven by people associated by/with/ associated with Lehigh. Grouse not coming back to this board after his timeout recently, is OK with me.
What goes-on inside messageboards like this one is such a small fraction of muzzleloader shooter representation. (For example) Probably 98% of muzzleloader hunters have no idea that heavy conicals work in fast twist rifles and those T/C QLAs affect performance with old-school conicals. These hunters of today haven't a clue about that.
Why did they choose T/C instead of Knight or Traditions?..... because of that QLA and how it makes it easier to load bullets.
When T/C owners shoot and miss that deer, they don;t blame their inaccuracy on the QLA. They blame it on themselves for a poor aim or either on the bullet or powder they chose. They haven't a clue that they missed that deer because of the QLA and their choice of using a T/C Maxiball conical, which BTW, is hardly ever seen anymore. Everyone seems to use sabots, Powerbelts (inlines) or roundballs in traditional sidelocks.
Old-school conicals are going the way of the dinosaur. No doubt about it and it changes nothing in T/Cs lineup of guns and how they address the QLA at the muzzle. If you call T/C by phone, they will recommend sabots or Powerbelts. They will even prove they are more accurate at the 100 yard mark.
So test the QLA till the next blue moon. The amount of shooters that these QLA threads affect are so few and far between. Like talking to a bus-group of 100 oldtimers at a baseball game where 40,000 are in attendance. Sorta parallels to the approx 100 threads we saw in 2015 on Lehigh bullets here. For a bullet brand that only represents a fraction of 1% of the market.... perhaps as little as 0.05% of muzzleloader sales globally, I am so glad those Sabotloader and Grouse Lehigh promotions have ceased.
There was no doubt in my mind that a bullet push occurred to boost sales.... all driven by people associated by/with/ associated with Lehigh. Grouse not coming back to this board after his timeout recently, is OK with me.
The QLA issue is widely known, certainly its more well known with folks that are avid enthusiasts - that spend time tinkering with and researching ML's outside of a few days a year during ML season. Many manufacturers have their quirks, not only TC and the QLA.
For what its worth, I'm a fan of the QLA concept. Unfortunate that not all of them are good to go.
02-17-2016 | 09:33 AM
#19
Fork Horn
Joined: Feb 2009
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From: Irvine, KY
I prefer conicals over saboted bullets; however, I shoot several different types of bullets. It seems every since the inline muzzleloader has caught on people are constantly trying to get high-powered rifle performance from a muzzleloader. There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to get the maximum horsepower of the ML's but you eventually come to the point of diminishing returns. That in turn has led to nitrocellulose/smokeless ML's and that spectrum of performance. I said all that just to say I would have thought that those rifles with the QLA off centered would have the barrels replaced by TC; however, the manufacturers cater to a majority thus sabot shooters. Anyway y'all have a good day.
02-17-2016 | 11:23 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Saxonburg Pa
One true fact about life is you can't make everyone happy!! There are several members of this board that like the information I share, and some that don't. Sorry I couldn't help you out.