Barnes 290 Grain T-EZ
08-17-2015, 03:01 PM
#22
Nontypical Buck
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Actually Grouse, I was told by a few here "in the know" that both the Lehigh CF's and these Barnes depend on hydraulic force rather than impact to open up. They said that aids in penetration and less likelyhood of "blow ups". The Hide and Bone knock the tip back and BEGIN the opening but the hydraulic force is what "flowers" it.
08-17-2015, 03:11 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Saxonburg Pa
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Don't know if I agree with this thought much.
Before changing my entire program, I shot Barnes for years and have taken over 300 whitetail with Expanders, TMZ and T-EZ bullets. EVERY bullet ever recovered indicated it performed perfectly. Even those found after passing through and found in the dirt.
I like everyone else, appreciate all of Ron's bullet testing. However.... one also has to understand that shooting into 1/2 gallon water jugs, is not shooting into an animal. Those water jugs, immediately upon impact explode because of the pressures, with no hide or muscle holding them intact. When the pressure lowers, the bullets may continue to pass through other jugs, slowing the bullet further. Water is also less dense than internal organs or fluids (lung shot). Yes, each bottle slows the bullet more, yet each bottle explodes until the velocity is low enough that the bullet merely passes though and into the phone book.
Before changing my entire program, I shot Barnes for years and have taken over 300 whitetail with Expanders, TMZ and T-EZ bullets. EVERY bullet ever recovered indicated it performed perfectly. Even those found after passing through and found in the dirt.
I like everyone else, appreciate all of Ron's bullet testing. However.... one also has to understand that shooting into 1/2 gallon water jugs, is not shooting into an animal. Those water jugs, immediately upon impact explode because of the pressures, with no hide or muscle holding them intact. When the pressure lowers, the bullets may continue to pass through other jugs, slowing the bullet further. Water is also less dense than internal organs or fluids (lung shot). Yes, each bottle slows the bullet more, yet each bottle explodes until the velocity is low enough that the bullet merely passes though and into the phone book.
08-17-2015, 03:25 PM
#24
Boone & Crockett
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08-17-2015, 03:29 PM
#25
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
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We are hunting elk right now in Oregon and using Thro bullets , I have some questions and are we doing something wrong , We are getting pin hole pass threw's no expansion in the bullets ,, One of us was able to get a head shot on a yearling and I would expect a big exit hole ,,The 250 gr Thro bullet went straight threw the skull .500 hole in .500 hole out , It was originally hit left front shoulder bullet went threw shoulder down spine cut liver into out right side flank ,, Setup was a ,, CVA ML, 110 gr 3f Triple seven powder .
any help would be great ,,didn't retrieve bullets ,
08-17-2015, 03:42 PM
#26
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
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You got wrong information. The Lehighs should not open by design if you shoot them thru a brick wall for example. A Barnes will mushroom if you do the same. The Lehigh needs a liquid of some sort to open and release the petals. That is what Dave will tell you from Lehigh. I honestly have never tested that or felt a reason to.
How does a bullet blowing up (powerjunk) compare to a bullet not opening up at all?
08-17-2015, 04:54 PM
#27
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Join Date: Jul 2014
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Uhhh Barnes, nope. Dispersal inside an animal will reduce pressures just as fast, if not faster, than those water jugs. It's the "water on the nose" that matters in the hydraulic force though. While yes the pressure waves are dispersing water from the jugs, that bullet is still encountering surface tension (and water has a little higher surface tension than blood) and resistance as well as pressure to open the bullet up.
Blood is made up of plasma and red blood cells. The red blood cells make up about 45% of the plasma. Blood forms threads, where as water does not. Plasma (blood) also has "viscoelastic" properties, which means that it exhibits both viscous and elastic behavior when deformed, unlike water. These elastic properties can cause blood to return to its original state, where as water will not. Although blood is not as thick as honey, both have the similar elastic properties.
Water does not have a higher surface tension than blood for the reasons mentioned above. But we're not just talking or comparing a jug filled with water or just blood, to shooting an animal. The animal has much more surface area consisting of veins, tissue, etc.
I've shot a lot of whitetail in my lifetime and never once seen a whitetail explode like a water bottle...........
08-17-2015, 05:00 PM
#28
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So much for bullet tests if its not on real game.
08-17-2015, 05:04 PM
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