Went out today with a metal detector. It took awhile, but the Barnes was found about 15' away to the right.

What was the muzzle velocity?

I think that is one of the points Ron is trying show. The gun was loaded with 50 gr. BH if I remember correctly and the target was 25 yards away. The bullet is fired through the carpet/plywood into the jugs. I THINK part of the experiment was to see if passing through the exterior material and into the jugs had an effect on the bullet. Apparently the material had little effect on the bullet except pushing out the tip and collecting some carpet fibers in the nose - then traveling into the water it did not have enough energy (speed) to open the bullet. I also think it was a simulation of what a bullet might operate like at 200 yards. I am sure Ron will clarify this better than I since it is his experiment.

Ron, you are really persistent about your experimental procedures. Really persistent to go back and look with a metal detector. But it certainly was a good discovery to help answer any questions.

The nose of the Barnes seemed to be jammed with the wood from the center ply, of the plywood shelf. Took out my knife, and worked at cleaning the 'stuff' out of there, and it turned red.













Evidently that is the red fabric that the shelf was wrapped with. Further work with the knife revealed black stuff.














Seems that is the carpet backing. The knife got too big to fit, so used a sharp pointy thing, and worked some more.











Then some real serious digging went on for quite awhile, and the result:

Most hunting with BH are using 110grs volume. The reason for asking about velocity is, at 200yds the velocity with that charge and bullet (Barnes) remains at around 1,450fps, dropping to around 1,215fps at 300yds.

Barnes claims it will expand down to 1200fps.

Yes, yes it will. It did the day the Barnes TEZ--Jugs thread was written. The speed of the bullet at impact was a tad less than 1200 fps.

50gr out of that rifle of his SHOULD have produced around 1250-1350fps or thereabouts at 25 yards. Looks to me like I will be just using those bullets at the range and using my new CF's on deer! If I wanted a bullet just to punch through I would have made up some hard connies. They LOOK like they are "expanding" but they aint. I've hit big boars with them at 10 yards fully loaded 130gr T7 and they just punched right through. Barely slowing down Granted a 350 grain bullet slamming through an animals shoulders will definitely kill the beastie, on a deer, I don't want to have to track the damn thing for 200 yards. I'm just too damn old for dragging a deer for a mile or 2 anymore. It seems no matter WHERE I shoot the animal, it never runs TOWARDS my damn truck! It's like they just know!

Just had a thought (shup Sabot I know it's rare ) But maybe the medium you shot it through created the problem. That hollow was filled up with crap and in there pretty damn tight. so NO hydraulic influence at all! You think those bullets depend upon hydraulic pressure like the CF's?