Community
Black Powder Ask opinions of other hunters on new technology, gear, and the methods of blackpowder hunting.

Carpet, shelving, Bullets

Thread Tools
 
Old 07-11-2015 | 06:18 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
From: Rapid City, South Dakota
Default Carpet, shelving, Bullets

Today, three different bullets were shot through carpet, shelving, and water jugs. She found these material in her junk. Carpet was attached to the fabric wrapped shelving with spray adhesive, and they were placed in front of the water jugs before shooting.
















First up was the 250g XTP. Previously this bullet was shot through the jugs without carpet/plywood. Today the bullet went through all five jugs, and never was found. Today, 0.1 second after impact is shown in the following photo.










The next bullet tried was the Lehigh 245g CF bullet. This bullet also was previously shot through water jugs without carpet/plywood. 0.1 second after impact today, is what the photo show.












The bullet was found in the last jug.













Two petals were found in the second jug.






















Last, the Barnes 250g TEZ was shot. Today, the bullet went through all jugs, and was never found. This bullet was also shot through five jugs without carpet/plywood; the result today, after 0.1 second is shown in the photo following.

















The Lehigh 245g CF seemed to perform about the same in the jugs with the carpet/shelving in front, as it did without; whereas the other two bullets were very much affected by the carpet/shelving being in place. The Lehigh bullet exploded the first jug; the other two bullets didn't. The Lehigh blasted water out and away, whereas the other bullets had a much smaller effect.
ronlaughlin is offline  
Reply
Old 07-11-2015 | 07:07 PM
  #2  
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,926
Likes: 0
From: Saxonburg Pa
Default

Thanks Ron, the petals are what makes this bullet special from all the rest. I just don't know how to explain or supply any data of those petals to prove it.
Grouse45 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-11-2015 | 07:12 PM
  #3  
1874sharpsshooter
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Originally Posted by Grouse45
Thanks Ron, the petals are what makes this bullet special from all the rest. I just don't know how to explain or supply any data of those petals to prove it.
Maybe a link to all the Lehigh videos will help
 
Reply
Old 07-11-2015 | 07:46 PM
  #4  
super_hunt54's Avatar
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,695
Likes: 1
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by Grouse45
Thanks Ron, the petals are what makes this bullet special from all the rest. I just don't know how to explain or supply any data of those petals to prove it.


Grouse, while I aint the sharpest tool in the shed, I aint the dullest. I'll try taking a crack at how and why they work well.

You have forward velocity accompanied by rotational velocity. When the whole system impacts the petals are designed to open, penetrate till a certain amount of force is achieved against the pre- stressed petals, then break off. The rotational velocity achieved from your rifling adds to the velocity of separation of the petals maximizing damage. The solid core then goes on through, breaking bone and whatever else is in it's path and passing through the other side for 2 holes. That core also looks like the edges where the petals break off are a bit on the sharp side as well.

I would imagine this would be a fairly hard system to come up with for various game. Being that all big game are of different hide thickness and bone structure so calculating the precise depth to stress the petals to maximize penetration before separation to cause the most damage would be difficult at best.
super_hunt54 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-11-2015 | 07:53 PM
  #5  
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,926
Likes: 0
From: Saxonburg Pa
Default

Originally Posted by super_hunt54
Grouse, while I aint the sharpest tool in the shed, I aint the dullest. I'll try taking a crack at how and why they work well.

You have forward velocity accompanied by rotational velocity. When the whole system impacts the petals are designed to open, penetrate till a certain amount of force is achieved against the pre- stressed petals, then break off. The rotational velocity achieved from your rifling adds to the velocity of separation of the petals maximizing damage. The solid core then goes on through, breaking bone and whatever else is in it's path and passing through the other side for 2 holes. That core also looks like the edges where the petals break off are a bit on the sharp side as well.

I would imagine this would be a fairly hard system to come up with for various game. Being that all big game are of different hide thickness and bone structure so calculating the precise depth to stress the petals to maximize penetration before separation to cause the most damage would be difficult at best.
Sounds pretty good to me. Keep in mind, the petals dont shear until they hit a liquid. So it's going threw all hides before they start to shear
Grouse45 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-11-2015 | 08:02 PM
  #6  
super_hunt54's Avatar
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,695
Likes: 1
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by Grouse45
Sounds pretty good to me. Keep in mind, the petals dont shear until they hit a liquid. So it's going threw all hides before they start to shear
Hmmmm so they are dependent upon Hydraulic dynamics? I'll have to think on that for a bit and maybe brush up on my physics a tiny bit to figure out how that would work. Maybe the resistant pressure placed on the OUTSIDE of the bullet while passing through a solid material then when it enters a fluidic region the fluid enters into the hollow point and creates the needed force through hydraulics to open and separate the petals. Okay damnit now my head hurts! And it suddenly got smokey in here!
super_hunt54 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-11-2015 | 08:06 PM
  #7  
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,926
Likes: 0
From: Saxonburg Pa
Default

Originally Posted by super_hunt54
Hmmmm so they are dependent upon Hydraulic dynamics? I'll have to think on that for a bit and maybe brush up on my physics a tiny bit to figure out how that would work. Maybe the resistant pressure placed on the OUTSIDE of the bullet while passing through a solid material then when it enters a fluidic region the fluid enters into the hollow point and creates the needed force through hydraulics to open and separate the petals. Okay damnit now my head hurts! And it suddenly got smokey in here!
Lol, don't think to much!!
Grouse45 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-11-2015 | 08:10 PM
  #8  
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,926
Likes: 0
From: Saxonburg Pa
Default

Ron,
Would you mind testing the new XP bullet? I'm not sure what to think of the new design, but I think your test would show something. I'll send you bullets and sabots to try it if you will.
Grouse45 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-12-2015 | 03:32 AM
  #9  
Thread Starter
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
From: Rapid City, South Dakota
Default

No problem for me to test them, if you send some. Have no opinion of the bullet, because we are required by regulation to use 'soft point' bullet.
ronlaughlin is offline  
Reply
Old 07-12-2015 | 03:55 AM
  #10  
BarnesAddict's Avatar
Nontypical Buck
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,077
Likes: 0
From: Near a lake with no fish
Default

Would have liked to have seen the other two bullets recovered....
BarnesAddict is offline  
Reply


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.