50gr out of that rifle of his SHOULD have produced around 1250-1350fps or thereabouts at 25 yards. Looks to me like I will be just using those bullets at the range and using my new CF's on deer! If I wanted a bullet just to punch through I would have made up some hard connies. They LOOK like they are "expanding" but they aint. I've hit big boars with them at 10 yards fully loaded 130gr T7 and they just punched right through. Barely slowing down Granted a 350 grain bullet slamming through an animals shoulders will definitely kill the beastie, on a deer, I don't want to have to track the damn thing for 200 yards. I'm just too damn old for dragging a deer for a mile or 2 anymore. It seems no matter WHERE I shoot the animal, it never runs TOWARDS my damn truck! It's like they just know!