Lee, that may be part of the problem as I do use Remoil with teflon.

Good! go hunting.... Do not even worry about your bore unless you get it wet in a rainstorm... I was going to say snow but not sure you know that is

You may have to change sabots to a HPH-3p-EZ load with that tight bore. I thought Accura's were on the tight side anyway...

Rem Oil in a bore not a good thing... Look for some Montana X-Treme Bore Conditioner




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You did say it shot good groups after the first shot. That was the important part of your first post. I've had some CVA's shoot that high on the first shot. My latest is only an 1" off fouled shots.

I've always ignored the first shot. Even on CF guns. We're lucky that BH 209 came out. I could never leave the bore dirty with any other sub, or especially BP.

Sounds like I'm ready to go hunting Saturday. I'll have to find those sabots that Sabotloader recommended. And the Montana Bore conditioner as well.

Thanks guys and God bless you all!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck on your hunt.

Well thank you Muley Hunter!!!!!!

So have I for many-many years and I don't have this problem at all. Never have.

I do run 2 wet patches down and then 2 dry before loading. Perhaps I'm getting it all out...

I'm not sure what the root problem is. I know guns will do it from time to time though. You could always shoot BH and then leaving it 'dirty' wouldn't be as big of a deal.

If you have some money to spend i would look at a Knight Disc Elite, or the new Knight Mountaineer. Either one would be the last ML you will ever need.

Optima is shooting dead on. I see no reason for him to change.

TN, running to wet patches will never get it all out, the properties of Teflon are not going to be removed that easy. that is exactly to stong point of using a lubricant with Teflon. It seeks low spots and settles in those spots to offer a smooth surface. Heat is one of the few things that will move or reduce the effects of Teflon.

I do not think Lee and I know that I do not think the total problem is because of Rem Oil. But anytime you use a product in the bore that contains a Teflon products you can run into problems with added fouling. Teflon burns and creates a sticky substance and over time as you continue to load the bore with Teflon it will all add up. The occasional shooter might no ever notice it. If you were to discuss this with a competition shooter most would tell you the same thing - do not use a product with Teflon in it. I would go one step farther and say in a muzzleloader - do not use a petroleum product in the bore at all - use a synthetic oil like Montana X-Treme, Slip 2000, or Ezzox and I am sure there are others.

And again after several years and using many different product - this is my opinion only. But you also have to remember I was one of those that used BB for years because of its abiltiy not to leave a sticky burned substance in the barrel. In fact still use it in my Trap chokes to reduce plastic fouling.